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I'm like let's do the pros and cons. and that's not really his personality. he's like come on, do we really have to write them down? don't we know what they are? i wouldn't say there was one moment that you know i really came around to the idea this has obviously been a while coming. the last year we talked a lot. you know every time our college sons were home i would try to make sure that i talk to them one-on-one rand talked to them one-on-one. >> how do they feel about it all? >> they are excited about it. they're really proud of their dad. and i will say i think it's a great example for th...

It's not going to happen. we're going to have to come out on the streets. >> community engage. i saw you picket liquor stores targeting the neighborhood where they were selling malt liquor. i've seen you protest with success. but with this particular issue, there have been these marches, we've seen the beautiful faces of kids who were mowed down and we've seen others carted off to jail for the rest of their adult lives. but we're still at this point. >> well, i think part of it is, is people have been overwhelmed by it. there's one segment, just overwhelmed, they can't handle it. and other peo...