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Moderate republican base thinks of. jeff flake has been true to his name with the back-and-forth from day one. what is your bet on what happened? >> jon: he is a little bit, and we can expect for him to vote in favor of moving out because he will probably say "it will only be right to have the debate, so let's hear them out and let everyone have an opportunity to talk about that." and what will really matter is actually how he votes when it comes to a final vote. >> melissa: do you think you will let murkowski and collins go for us, and that gives them some safety? also puts him in a position ...

Kavanaugh. obviously if the fbi has follow-up interviews they want done, it becomes an open-ended question as to whether they make a unified statement. >> it has to be unified and that's the key. they've been talking to each other constantly. i think that -- i think that they will do something together if they do something. i think, however, democrats i spoke to today are sort of saying, look, flake is going to be a yes, he wants to get to yes, we know that he wants to get to yes. murkowski they're not so sure about. collins, sort of somewhere -- somewhere in the middle. so they're not quite c...