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Manafort we've been talking about so this investigation it's not only going more into white claar but this is the collusion angle. >> based on the information we have about this latest story, does this look like this new investigation that they reference is about manafort or something more broad in the russia collusion story. >> i don't know. but i think it could be both. i think it could be extended charges on manafort in a different direction and others involved around him and gates seems to be cooperating based on that plea agreement and the statements that came out in the van der zwaan sen...

Guarantee that he wasn't under investigation. we now know that the president of the united states is under investigation. he is not the target. he is the subject. nonetheless. the reason, why he fired his fbi director, one of the reasons was because he couldn't tell him that he was not under investigation. now we know for sure that he is. >> very quickly, you've got a new article in the new york better the whole collusion angle. tell us about that. >> one of the great controversies about this investigation, is collusion a crime? if the trump campaign and the russians work together to help the ...

He will ultimately need to go to the president. as we keep hearing, he only has one shot at it. when he goz him, he's going to have to have clear in his 3450i7bd the types of things he already knows about the obstruction angle and also the things he knows about the potential collusion angle which is why the story today is so interesting. it shows he's not -- he's pursuing two paths of the investigation equally. not just the obstruction which is the more public-facing angle, but also the collusion and whether or not there was any coordination between the trump campaign and wikileaks. and now we...

Brian: we have been telling you about the 13 russians charged on friday for melding in the election now indicted by mueller special counsel. move next guest political statement. here to explain andrew mccarthy done a great job telling us what's next. andy, what's next and what do you mean by that statement? >> well, when you return an indictment that no one is ever going to be tried on, you do it because you are trying to craft a narrative or make a statement. and i think what happened with mueller's case is the original collusion angle that they were proceeding on, which is that the russians ...

Far more money to democratic candidates than bob mueller ever has. i mean and it's not even a close call. so you're right. when they say this is a democratic witch hunt and you have andrew mccabe, who i guess he's a republican, because he voted in the republican primary. but didn't vote in the general election, you basically have republicans around here, that are the main players in this so-called democratic, this democratic cover-up for hillary clinton. and this democratic witch hunt on donald trump. >> that's right. and i think we should also consider as we've been hearing about the special ...