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L mueller is silent. the only person the president can attack is the fbi and that's why you see him going after the fbi so harshly in the place of going after bob muller. >> amid that quiet you do see people coming to their defense. the statement is beyond reproach. how effective is that defense as we see the president and others piling on here? >> many of the republicans that are now attacking mueller were the ones to say he is beyond reproach. he was a great choice but now that he's trying to wait his way into the white house, you see some republicans get freaked out. he could be charged wit...

Mislead the public about what this was. he's called a witch-hunt. it's not. look, it does matter i think when you get to the point you can reasonably say to people this was not anything but obstructing and trying to prevent the fbi and special counsel from getting to bottom of what is very serious issue. >> and what you're seeing here is two officials, george bop dopilous and michael flynn charged with lying to the fbi. what you're seeing is no lie is going to let you wigging out of this investigation in terms of robert mueller and his team are serious business. and the obstruction case is ong...

Prevent the fbi and special counsel from getting to bottom of what is very serious issue. >> and what you're seeing here is two officials, george bop dopilous and michael flynn charged with lying to the fbi. what you're seeing is no lie is going to let you wigging out of this investigation in terms of robert mueller and his team are serious business. and the obstruction case is ongoing. and they're from all accounts going to cross every "t," dot every "i" before they wrap that up. >> and that has always been the one area of the investigation that's worried republicans that the collusion aspect...

Massive investigation from the transcript of the plea agreement to where the lawyer that brian referred to says this is just a tiny part of this larger investigation to just the way he seemed frustrated with manafort and gates and threw everything at them. to the way he did this sort of dramatic reveal with the information that none of us knew about with papadopoulos. >> and even the timing of the unsealing of the guilty plea by papadopoulos today is probably not a coincidence. if you go back and look at the transcript from the october 5th hearing, they had 30 days to keep it under seal if the...

Unsealing of the guilty plea by papadopoulos today is probably not a coincidence. if you go back and look at the transcript from the october 5th hearing, they had 30 days to keep it under seal if they wanted. it's not 30 days yet. so they decided they were ready to put it out today. i think it's a warning sign to everybody within the white house that, hey, we know about this and you'll get treated this way if you cooperate and this way if you don't. i also think it's a signal to manafort that, hey, we know about it the collusion aspect of this. if you want to lesson your sentence on the fie ra...