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Mueller has. >> and then john, the flip side there is if this were a lot of crimes committed, some of them as we have mentioned have been confessed, but there was no putin-related collusion crime than it would seem that michael cohen could still in that way be helpful to the president that he has no reason to spin anymore. et he has every reason to give a full version of the truth. and what if he says we were out in russia and it was an incompetent fundraising operation, but we didn't get any help from putin-backed people? >> i don't buy the hypothetical, but it's possible. it's also possible ...

That is emerging from this investigation. afterun a year, after hundreds f thousands of documents that have beenve turned over, after multie cooperating witnesses, after dozens of criminal counts, none of those filings have created a nexus between a criminal act and the president, or even the campaign for the most part -- >> sean: and collusion, professor, is not a crime, is it? >> it's not. we went through months were people were arguing, talking as if there was a collusion crime. the interesting thing isco collusion and obstruction, you have an exceptionally weak case that has emerged so far...

The investigation. after a year, after hundreds of thousands of documents that have been turned over, after multiple cooperating witnesses, after dozens of criminal counts, none of those filings have created a nexus between a criminal act and the president or even the campaign for the most part. >> sean: and collusion, professor, is not a crime, is it? >> it's not. we went through months where people were arguing, talking as if there was a collusion crime. but these are things, look, collusion and obstruction, you have an exceptionally weak case. collusion, there is an absence of evidence. the...

Look, we're not going to prejudge it. maybe that's as far as it goes, but that's why these investigations need to palestinian. >> papadopoulos and flynn didn't plead guilty to collusion, because there is no collusion crime. you did an interview with alison on "new day" which made news in conservative circles for this statement. you said, i'm not sure i've seen a lot that the american people aren't already aware of. what do you mean? >> the question was about whether there are crimes. the question i was asked, have you seen evidence of a crime. the congressional investigations aren't equipped o...

Collusion crime, but there's the issue of obstruction, did the president or anyone around him try to obstruct the investigation into the russia matter. would that be a crime? >> clearly obstruction of justice is a crime. you know, i'm not a lawyer, but when the president fires the head of the fbi, as he fired jim comey, says that he did it because of jim comey's treatment of hillary clinton, and then admits publicly that he did it to lift the pressure of the russia investigation, i'll leave that to lawyers and prosecutors. but that seems like an action that was taken in order to slow or stop t...