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Podesta. it deals with the kone discreet issue. republicans say oh, there is no russian interference in the election and most republicans have accepted that there was interference except with a very, very big exception the president of the united states. and, look, we've known that since 2016. the intelligence community put out a statement in the fall of 2016 that vladimir putin was launched a cyber and propaganda campaign in january of 2017. the intelligence community put out an unclassified report that laid out a lot of the general facts that we saw in the indictment yesterday. so we've know...

Maybe that's something that manafort is holding out for. >> if all of the roads so far, if they appear to lead to paul manafort, and i think we've got an interesting graphic here that illustrates some of the players and how they are all int interconnected. if all of the roads that the point appear to lead towards paul manafort, where does manafort lead, ned? >> well, that's the question. when manafort -- when an indictment against manafort was announced last year, you'll recall that the trump administration said at the time, look, this is not about collusion this has very little to do with rus...