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We need to hold him to the rule of law. one of the problems here -- and all of the republicans i talked to know this -- that the president lies incessantly and part of the problem is the president has been lying about the russian investigation and what it means and the role of himself and his family in terms of their relationship with russians, ethnorussians and the rule of law. and if republicans cannot insist that they stop this kind of conduct, it's no accident this is occurring at the moment when mueller is closing in on the collusion issue so we have a genuine national emergency to deal w...

This is what george washington warned the country about in his farewell address, was foreign interference. and there was only one appropriate response. when these people were contacted by a hostile foreign power to give dirt to the -- to their campaign about the democratic nominee, and that was to call the director of the fbi, period, full stop. and to see kevin mccarthy up there being complicit in the lying, i'm troubled about it. stuttering around on this collusion issue is shameful. it is shameful. >> katty kay? >> mccarthy is looking at tray gowdy and thinking, when you do speak out and yo...

It didn't russian collusion. it isn't that. is that survivable for president trump? >> it depends because it depends on who goes down. if it's -- if it becomes jared kushner and his son and some of the people that are more close because we already have 19 people indicted that could be problematic for the president. if he has to then start giving out pardons to his children i think that that becomes a political problem that this president will have that will be unlike what the president has faced in the past. i think that the idea is that robert mueller and i think why president trump hates thi...

It interests me when you can't lie to the fbi. obviously a crime. you look at gates, papadopoulos, flynn, all lying. it's waiting to see what the collusion issue will be and just amazes me how no matter how many lies the president himself tells, right, his poll numbers continue to stay the same and so i don't know, you know, as the masses does it not matter if you lie? we see the lying play out with regard to the special counsel investigation. i think the next shoe to drop is the nexus and the connection of the campaign if any and any collusion with russia. >> quickly, what do you think? >> we...

Collect mass in terms of resources and time they've invested, budget they put into it that they are all over the place looking something essentially to justify their existence. rob: right, in this case, paul manafort who, you know, a lot of people on the left thought behind the grand collusion theory that they have, that he was communicating with the russians, trying the swing the election this way and they find bank fraud case from what, 13 years ago now and this judge, one judge who was actually a reagan point' says you can't use this to try and make a case here, this is too old, right? >> y...