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We're still in the middle of that. so i'm not going to comment on where we are. what we're not in the middle of. and i think what's really being sort of lost, jake, in all of the noise about, was there collusion in mueller and all of that, the russians egregiously meddled in our democracy in 2016, and they're still doing it. and they're going to do it again. and they're set up in spain now and they're setting up in scotland. they have discovered a way to turn the strengths of our country and the west against ourselves. i call it geopolitical jiu-jitsu, where they're taking advantage of our fre...

And this is a really serious problem. and all of the excitement about the collusion issue, which is really important, has obscured what i believe is the larger issue, which is that our country was, is, and will be under attack. >> president trump is working hard to discredit all of the investigations, house, senate, and mueller. on friday he tweeted, quote, it's now commonly agreed after many months of costly looking that there was no collusion between russia and trump, was collusion with hillary clinton. so, is that accurate? that there -- it's widely agreed, commonly agreed that there was no...

Irreversible denuclearization of the korean peninsula. >> joining me now to talk more about this is former new mexico governor bill richardson. sir, it's great to have you with me, and certainly, you know all about north korea and the diplomacy needed for that really, really serious situation right now with the rhetoric that's gone back and forth between kim jong-un and this white house. but before we get started, nbc news confirming about bob mueller's investigation and indictments expected tomorrow. what's your reaction? >> well, i think we have to be very careful on the collusion issue. i t...

Parade -- >> not just manafort but trump's business attorney michael cohen had these above-market sales of four different all-cash transactions in property in new york. trump has some suspicious real estate transactions, too. it does seem to be a past time to have strange transactions that go forward that should raise red flags. >> do you feel the first thread is tugged here as being on the team that was in the watergate prosecution? >> i think the first indictment is going to be something that ties in, not just the plane sort of things that we know about manafort and his dealings with russia....

"the washington post, put out a tweet a few moments ago she was at university of chicago politics institute one of their events tonight and saw tom perez, the current dnc chair. in addition to that statement we already knew, he said, look, i only found out that the dnc paid for this dossier a few days ago. so, yeah, he is -- it's under new management. but they may have spent hundreds of thousands or millions on this. >> bill: millions, quite possible. >> and didn't know? unbelievable. >> bill: what is the sense you get in washington tonight? is there a sense this story has done a 180 or not ye...