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How do you verify it because they could have been exaggerating or lying. i think that's led them down the financial road avenue to look to see if anymore crimes were committed, also to see if that could give them leverage in terms of cooperation among the subjects in the investigation. as i pointed out in my story, a lot of the leads coming into doj that have nothing to do with russia collusion are still going to the special council probe. they want to see everything they can, or see if crimes were committed, but to gain leverage in the investigation. >> and jeff retoobin -- >> go ahead. >> i ...

>> all right. on the left of your screen, huntington west virginia where the president will be addressing crowds, hours ahead of his appearance there, they were lined up and waiting. none of thinks dissuaded them by this development about the grand jury by bob mueller into the collusion issue, if there is an issue there. a lot of lawyers saying it's a second nature to do this as a perfunctory kind of thing. meantime, peter doocy in west virginia with the crowd. how are they feeling about this, peter? >> so far, neil, nobody is saying anything about this trump rally about russia. the thing they...

"not to add any more pressure but the president just read the article. he wants the article out immediately." today, that donor, the man in the middle -- telling abc news he's never even spoken to the president before. >> i didn't speak to anybody at the white house. i was being sloppy with my words. >> reporter: and late today, the white house was pressed about that story that later outraged seth rich's own family. >> the president had no knowledge of the story and it's completely untrue that he or the white house had any involvement in this story. >> tom llamas with us live outside fox news ...

Msnbc. welcome, congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> let's get down to business. your first reaction to jared kushner's statement. >> his statement tells two stories. one, he was sought after by people all over the world within and from out this campaign because of his can-do ability, his expertise, and two, he is a novice, who knows nothing about how campaigns work, how to read or finish e-mails, how to go in and out of meetings, how to exit a meeting without his assistant. two narratives, one fairly good with regard to the criminal issues in this case but obviously there's some tension....

They're going after this investigation because they don't want it to go forward. teir options are getting limited at this stage. someone may be talking. the investigators may have turned someone and so this is -- we're in a very, very compressed time frame right now. >> just quickly, julia, you wrote an op-ed regarding pardoning and it could be totally disastrous but the bigger concern is national security if he were to pardon somebody related to this russia investigation. >> right. so the collusion issue -- imagine if he pardoned people who were at least being investigated for collusion of ru...