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To do this. they had the narrative. why would that do this? >> it's a little baffling, shep. seems like the president's directive himself to simply have people out there, particularly on cable tv, which we know the president consumes a lot of, putting up a good fight for him and insisting their talking points are that he's not under investigation and he will slam them home as far as they can. even though how the white house would know what the contours of bob mueller's relatively new investigation is or are in this context is pretty hard to understand. >> it doesn't really matter from an inves...

Anyone else. it's not clear that there was collusion or anything like that with the trump campaign, butless understand the russian operatives are very smart, juliette know this better than i, they're targeting fis hated ways. >> so juliette could the russians have figured this out on their own? >> i think they could have, i think we don't know. i think we just don't know the extent of the evidence on the collusion issue. but i don't think we can say well, it hasn't been fund out yet so tlofr it doesn't exist. i'm much more comfortable about patient. these national security cases take a long ti...

Back to a focus on that collusion issue and on the russian attack itself. next week on wednesday, the house intelligence committee committee is going to hear from jay johnson who was homeland security secretary to the end of the obama administration. the intelligence committee on the senate is going to take testimony from a bunch of experts and elections officials who are going to be talking about the russian hacking attack as they experienced it, as it targeted state and local election systems. beyond that russian hacking attack on state and local election systems which we're learning more an...

What's going to comg down the pike in the next couple weeks. in general, i should tell you over the next week or two it looks like we're about to get back to a focus on that collusion issue and on the russian attack itself. next week on wednesday, the house intelligence committee committee is going to hear from jay johnson who was homeland security secretary to the end of the obama administration. the intelligence committee committee on the senate is going to take testimony from a bunch of experts and elections officials who are going to be talking about the russian hacking attack as they expe...

Think is extraordinary significant in terms of this particular episode and it may have historic effects. we'll have to wait and see. if he lays out a pattern of conduct which shows that the president and his team were trying very hard to shut down the flynn investigation, that is going to prove great weight to the whole question of obstruction. we're now hearing the democrats like mark warner saying we don't see evidence of collusion, we don't see any smoking gun yet on the collusion question but the obstruction of justice may turn out to be a more serious problem for the administration than t...