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I agree. all of this is going to come out eventually. the sculpt of this. the points we have to get to the bottom of, to what extent did the country of russia, interfere in our elections, and to what extent will they try again, and to what extent were they successful this is beyond the collusion point, the most important point in democracy. >> the billy bush tape. that information came out that day of the access hollywood tape. so we know, we know that they tried to manipulate the media, and social media, we know that they tried to manipulate things, i don't understand what you're saying, what...

Stolen computer-based information. that's the analytica stuff and the roger stone stuff and the peter smith stuff and all that stuff that hasn't been clearly analyzed in mueller's sort of determination about whether a crime has been committed. i think that's wishful thinking and maybe on the pure simple collusion point, maybe they're closer. >> alice, do you see it? >> i think we're the beginning to scratch the surface. what muffler did intentionally with the charge against papadopoulos is you can't lie to me. you're not going to get away with providing false statements. as the inner circle ge...

Justice. that's the only work stream. that's why the guys are relevant. then you have the broader conspiracy to interfere with the federal election and the conspiracy to acquire and disseminate stolen base, that's and anayltica stuff and roger stone stuff. and the peter smith stuff and all that stuff that still hasn't been clearly analyzed in mueller's sort of determination about whether or not a crime has been committed. so i think that's wishful thinking, and maybe on the pure simple collusion point maybe they are closer. >> alice, do you see it toward -- >> i think we are beginning to scrat...

That i think that mueller should stay in place. and we should -- >> and you would take action to try -- you would take action against the white house if the president made some sort of move to get rid of robert mueller? >> listen, as facts change, so, too, can my opinion. but at this point, what we see this morning, i think that we should continue on. but, alisyn, what i think is important is, let's look at manafort. let's look at president trump. but, i mean -- and i get frustrated sometimes when i hear some of your reporting this morning. we also have to look at what impact did russia have w...

Claims this was all fake news graduates to arguably obstruction phase when you hear stories like this firing director comey for that fbi thing and love to hear the testimony tomorrow. director comey alleging that he was told not to investigate general flynn. >> so there is a number of things we looked at here. obviously, was there any obstruction of justice. also, was there any collusion. on the collusion point, listen to what the top ranking democrat on the senate intelligence said a few days ago to jake tapper on that. >> is there any evidence of collusion that you have seen yet? is there? >...