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Way through the legal system. i think the next hearing is scheduled for january 3rd, it's a three panel judge hearing about relative to this day. bagel can i just say come at the kennedy and david's point, if you listen to nancy pelosi today she says this is been going on two and half years and when you poll people they say way, is this about the ukraine phone call or is does this go back to the election? does this go back to mueller and the russian collusion question mike democrats have to be very careful there. i've been saying a long time the need to focus narrowly on the phone call if that...

That mueller didn't establish a concrete case for the conspiracy question, the collusion question, but what mueller said quite clearly in his last public comments is that russia interfered with the election and hacked into email servers, attack one candidate in favor of donald trump and that the country needed to be prepared for the next time. clearly this white house is not prepared for the next time. and it's no wonder that jared kushner couldn't get a security clearance without the help of his father-in-law when he makes statements like this. >> and kristen, it does seem as though, based on...

Members of the trump team. tell us the importance. >> this is on page 10, volume 1, right at the beginning, on the collusion section. he said we have tried to paint as clear of a pick schr of what happens as we can, but there were many obstacles in our way. among those people claiming the fifth amendment, privilege issues and in many instances, people gave false testimony or deleted communications or were talking on encrypted communications we couldn't recover. and if we had all of that, it might have painted a different picture than what we're able to print. >> in the simplest terms, obstruct...

Determination as to whether or not the president committed a crime. >> the other thing about him speaking was that it felt like a total rebuttal. >> the barr comment reminds me of the collusion question. paul manafort was sharing polling data with a known russian agent about the strategy to win democratic voters in the midwest including bernie sanders supporters which we know was very successful. that may not reach the bar for criminal conspiracy, it sounds like collusion. >> bob mueller said you know, look, there, he has not been challenged with a crime.

Is asked and answered in robert mueller's perspective, but do you think the collusion question is still an open political and geopolitical foreign policy question? >> i think it is because, look, people have a right to evaluate all of these contacts and all of these decisions. it couldn't be a criminal conspiracy perhaps. >> right. >> but it is still very strange and hinky and people are right to inspect the contacts and decision points and working together with the russians on different issues to evaluate if it was inappropriate and improper. you know, the important thing is the line can't be...