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But also other questions that are trying to answer the collusion question, right, and some have said the conspiracy question. these leaks, if they are the tip of the iceberg in terms of what the five investigations are undertaking right now, it would seem that then, therefore, these investigations are just growing in scope and in scope and in scope. >> yeah. you're not going to get any disagreement from me on that idea. i mean, they are going to continue to grow. i think one area that we haven't seen as much attention paid to is the interaction between trump and the russian mobsters in new yor...

Seen this far. >> we've been covering the story since the very beginning. the senate and house intelligence committees have been digging on this question for weeks, months now. fbi, now the special counsel. that collusion question, and it's still a question, has been based purely on the fact that meetings took place. a number of meetings, a frequency that caught the notice, we have reported, of the sbenls community and law enforcement, particularly the fact that it was with so many russians, both here in the u.s. and conversations and meetings in europe as well. this is the first time we have ...

Are the kind of allegations we need to get to the bottom of. >> let me ask you this, and i know that any time we ask you about the investigation, you risk going into classified territory as this information is. it's just that that question of the possibility of collusion, if it's even the subject of the investigation, is something of a political football and you'll hear from trump the question is closed. you hear that from democratic lawmakers, et cetera, but when i speak to you, you say, no, in fact, we're still looking into this. i will just ask this question. as you continue to investigate,...

Those 30 lawyers, that's just the legal team and there are 100 fbi agents digging into all sorts of avenues from, you know t business relationships of people around donald trump, to the collusion question, to this obstruction of justice matter so it's intensifying. i want to say one i think this about the tapes issue. if it was a bluff and it's clear it was a bluff by donald trump, i wonder what the implications are going to be for foreign leaders who are watching this president. what does his word mean? this is of a piece of his secret plan to defeat isis dramatically, which turned out not to...

Joining us now for "the interview" is senator chuck schumer of new york. the top democrat in the united states senate. thanks for being with us tonight. >> good evening. good evening, ms. maddow. >> thank you. let me ask you, top line for your reaction tonight to the sworn testimony today from the attorney general. did he set anything to rest in terms of the russia collusion question or the prospect that the investigation into that has been obstructed? >> no. i think he raised more questions than he settled. when you compare his testimony to director comey, director comey was forthright, eve...