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States is subject of his investigation but currently not a criminal target about the president giving an interview to his investigators. robert, thank you for breaking that story. i want to bring in jennifer rogers and renato mariotti, both former federal investigators. break it down, jennifer, what's the differences? >> a subject is someone who is of interest and you want to speak to but isn't someone who you have criminal evidence against who you're about to charge basically. so i'm not surprised to hear that the president isn't a target on the collusion side of the house. i am a little bit ...

We have him. let's talk about russia and the trump campaign. this guy says yeah, they're asking me about roger stone, about wikileaks. that indicates to me they are on the scent of the thing in question, was there collusion, was there is cooperation, did the two entities work with each other into completely. as you say about gates, we thought he was there to stitch up manafort. now we have reason to think it's all on the collusion side of things with manafort and others. he was involved with this so-called person a who is constantine clip nick who was a russian spy operative. we're down in the...

Wikileaks documents. >> that's what struck me. i mean, we've got the reporting yesterday that from a single anonymous source over at cnn gates was told when they were seeking his cooperation, we don't need you for manafort. we have him. let's talk about russia and the trump campaign. this guy says yeah, they're asking me about roger stone, about wikileaks. that indicates to me they are on the scent of the thing in question, was there collusion, was there is cooperation, did the two entities work with each other into completely. as you say about gates, we thought he was there to stitch up manaf...

Finish line and plumbing the death penalties of everything that is involved here, i'm sure to trump's great chagrin. we're back in tom clancy territory with a very rich complicated brew centering around the 2016 release of the wikileaks documents. >> that's what struck me. i mean, we've got the reporting yesterday that from a single anonymous source over at cnn gates was told when they were seeking his cooperation, we don't need you for manafort. we have manafort. let's talk about russia and the trump campaign. this guy says yeah, they're asking me about roger stone, about wikileaks. that indi...

I mean, we've got the reporting yesterday that from a single anonymous source over at cnn gates was told when they were seeking his cooperation, we don't need you for manafort. we have him. let's talk about russia and the trump campaign. this guy says yeah, they're asking me about roger stone, about wikileaks. that indicates to me they are on the scent of the thing in question, was there collusion, was there is cooperation, did the two entities work with each other. >> completely. as you say about gates, we thought he was there to stitch up manafort. now we have reason to think it's all on the...