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>> and then another statement for kushner. we don't know that trump wrote that but it sure looks like it because they both dovetail so neatly together. it seems he's ignoring the lawyers and doing all the so-called strategizing on this case. >> jill, you just mentioned jared kushner. i think we think about the collusion track and the obstruction track and having to do with the president and james comey, but it would be possible if someone was conspireing in furtherance of that, was it for the president to be indicted for obstruction as well, right? >> absolutely. he may also have to be worryin...

He not only fired comey, but he came up with this ridiculous statement about the june 9th meeting. >> that's right. >> and then another statement for kushner. we don't know that trump wrote that but it sure looks like it because they both dovetail so neatly together. it seems he's ignoring the lawyers and doing all the so-called strategizing on this case. >> jill, you just mentioned jared kushner. i think we think about the collusion track and the obstruction track and having to do with the president and james comey, but it would be possible if someone was conspireing in furtherance of that, w...

Secretive process of robert mueller. remember, we didn't know for weeks they even executed a warrant on manafort's home. whereas congress had to be much more public in virtual realtime. this play out further and it will be a continuing conflict till we have a resolution where one decides to take the back seat. it won't be mueller. >> quickly at issue is whether or not there was obstruction of justice when the president fired comey. >> exactly. and this revelation makes it clear this is a line of inquiry of the special counsel. and that's significant. it's one of several. you got the financial ...

Relationship. this was a very witting relationship. they went to their easy guys first. they're trying everybody all the time. >> here's the place where harold, having prized haised hi before, he might be wrong on this. the investigation right now, this is proceeding on two tracks. there's an obstruction of justice track and there's a collusion track. >> right. >> if mueller is going to spend a lot of time, the collusion thing could take a lot longer it seems to me than 60 or 75 days to sort out. that could be years long. we've not seen special prosecutors that get done in f 0 or 75 days. that...

Are revelations in terms of the fact we now know about them. that we now know about them, put them in the proper place in the obstruction of justice timeline. >> yeah, i really think that today's developments are signaling to us that mueller is moving, perhaps, more quickly than we realize along the obstruction of justice track. it doesn't really explain what he's doing on the collusion track, but we'll put that aside for now. it's looking more and more like he is wrapping up or getting close to the end on obstruction of justice. and as a smart man named chuck rosenberg said to me in the hallw...