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Nick, our relationship with uncertainty is not to run toward it as an opportunity to make decisions but to run away from it. what do you think folks that have that fear -- or what are they missing? because there is a thrill in that that people who do do it like, but there is something missing for other folks of the they're like, why would you possibly do that? >> colonel, it's super nice to meet you and i have to admit one of my favorite books is the marine corpsman you'll on strategy which i have in my office and refer to frequently and i will quote you a piece from it that you may recall whi...

Leaders don't exemplify that model. they don't really show us the way they want us to act. it's sort of do as i say, not as i do. i think the other thing is that in the military you're taught to be decisive not to be afraid to challenge notions and to get out in front of problems. and i think on the other side you see a lot of play it safe you know i don't want to make this decision yet, i don't want to face into any chaos, i want to just kind of back off from it and see if this thing settles down. that's not the way we teach our leaders. >> nick i had a long conversation with colonel conlin a...

Not pushing the envelope. you've got to push the envelope you've got to make the decision -- i was asked just the other day when i was giving a class, what happens when there is no answer? when there is no answer you come up with one. if it's the wrong one, you adapt and change and get back on the right track. that's the answer to failure. >> thanks guys. it's we had to do this on tv rather than the telephone. it was glatreat to share this. colonel conlin we've played some tape of you in the past as you know. it was great to talk to you. >> good to see you. nick connauer chris conlin. should...