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It's not historically significant. we can look at it as a photo opportunity in a campaign year. and just about everything that the president does is focused on this one particular objective, and that is to get re-elected. i don't think that we're going to see any -- not even minor positive results from this engagement, so you can look at this as a campaign ploy and you can actually see that in how the president comports himself. >> sue, one last question on that front, what colonel jack was talking about. does that then really hurt the efforts or help the efforts of the lower-level individuals...

Step on to north korean soil. so, this is a tremendous victory for kim jong-un to take back to his domestic audience in pyongyang. >> janis, hans, stay with me for a second. i want to bring in colonel jack jacobs, med yal of honor recipit and msnbc analyst. i want to know, did trump give up too much to kim? >> yeah, look at it this way -- we didn't get anything in return. trump personally got something. don't forget, this is a campaign year. looks like a statesman. but otherwise, the united states got nothing. and in exchange, as has been mentioned, north korea's been testing not nuclear weapo...

President george w. bush did not. and president obama did not. and there's a reason for that, because you are giving legitimacy to the north korean leader without getting what we needed, which is denuclearization. so, that's flat out untrue. i'll just say one more thing about this timeline, the sanctions relief, and president trump saying he's not in a rush? that just plays into north korea's hand. north korea has all the incentive in the world to play this out and drag this out. and eventually, get what it wants, which is international acceptance of north korea as a responsible nuclear weapon...

Got this photo op that he clearly seems to be quite pleased with? >> well, that's a very interesting question. i hadn't thought about it that way, but i think you're absolutely right. i think he got 90% of everything that he wanted. and in exchange, we got very little. do you remember not all that long ago, the president canceled our joint and combined military exercises that we have annually in the korean peninsula, which, by the way, are not just war games, they're vitally important for us to test out our systems, make sure there's interoperability, that our plans work properly and defend ou...

To only deal with trump, he wants to separate president trump from his advisers, because he thinks only president trump, with him, there is a deal to be had, right? his advisers are too tough on north korea, are demanding pesky things like roadmap, a timeline, a declaration. so, kim jong-un just wants to deal with president trump, and i think he might be right. he's about to have a deal, potentially, with president trump. >> all right, we'll see what happens. sue mi terry and colonel jack jacobs. thanks, guys. a former member of congress weighing in on the events at the dmz and whether this ...