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Where our sons and daughters both were told they had to go fight and do it along other genders? >> i don't think it's a going to happen or b necessary. but i think from where colonel mcsally and i are coming from are different perspectives. she through in combat. air force are open to 99 perts of everyone in the air force. there's only a few special ops units available to women. in the army i am an infantry men we had units different jobs to do not more important just different. on the ground the requirement as far as physical requirements are a little bit different. when you draw these distin...

Country in a war. ceo of concerned veterans for america and also with us now is colonel martha mcsally a retired pilot and first to fly in combat since the lifting of prohibition against combat in 91. kernel l colonel let me start with you. we had the sound break saying yes that is a possible consequence of opening up these roles. a lot of women not in the arped servi armed services and women in the armed services to have equal rights that you want. when you phrase it in another way that means all of the little girls sitting a the home right now with their moms are going to be potentially elig...

Has everything to do with combat effectiveness. that's the core of the argument. a lot of people can inflate the two combat verses combat distinctions. it's an important distinction. >> colonel let me ask you this, for a lay person like me without military experience i can understand somebody like you somebody so brave and fit and desirous of going into a military career could handle this, go into this situation and defend our country and do it willingly and professionally. but then when i picture a kid -- say it changed tomorrow and 18-year-olds tomorrow had to register and god forbid we had ...

Issue of the draft in a minute because it is a legitimate issue a lot of people raised. colonel mcsally does the kind of second-class status, i don't mean to call you second-class but the idea that women are not allowed in combat roles, as general dempsey said men are warriors and women are something else. do you think that contributed to the environment in which sectional way sault happens? >> when you have an environment where women are treated as second-class warriors, can do everything but not quite the elite dog not out there doing what really brings about promotions and leadership positi...

As a man who has been there and a man who has some experience in those kinds of units, i certainly don't want to be in that environment with a female because it is degrading and humiliating enough to do your personal hygiene and the other normal functions among your teammates. >> chris: let me ask colonel mcsally to respond to that. >> sure. again, right now we are in a 360-degree battlefield and women andmen are serving together out there in combat. privacy is a red herring. you can figure out the issue as long as you have the most capable qualified force. that should be no reason for the exc...