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>> how will we know exactly when it's time to declare victory in iraq and afghanistan? welsh the chairman of the joint chiefs said it won't be because of a single knockout punch. admiral mike mullen saying that victory will come with a combination of military maneuvers and constant reassessment. what does it mean for troops scheduled to start coming home in august? joining me lt. colonel, retired marine, an expert in military operations and a fox news contributor. great to see you, colonel. >> thanks, jamie, nice to talk to you. >> jamie: the comments are interesting. what is admiral mullen sa...

>> reporter: and there is a darker side to these campaigns, some party offices have been bombed, several candidates assassinated. flyers appeared in some neighborhoods threatening people not to go vote, but the u.s. and the u.n. say they do expect a high voter turnout. jamie. >> malini wilkes live for us in baghdad. we'll check back with you. a big question, how do you know when we've actually won in iraq and afghanistan? the chairman of the joint chiefs says it won't be one big knockout punch. that's not going to tell us. a little later, we're going to talk with retired marine lt. colonel bil...

This isn't right. does that help your case at all? >> well, brian, i think it does help because what's involved here is, i think, a stand that the army commander has taken and perhaps it's a face saving thing, he wants to stick with it. if he could acknowledge perhaps this isn't the best way to handle it and change his mind about that, i think the american public would appreciate it. >> brian: i think the big question that comes to my mind, what does this tell our enemies? the way this case is handled. >>? well, it tells the enemies all they have to do is make a false allegation in custody and...

Somewhere. so our approach to be, no matter the president, when we go out we're not going back, we're turning the place over to them and hoping for the best and i think that's the nature of these kinds of insurgent type wars in contrast to wars with countries like germany or japan or you know, heaven forbid china in the future where we're really talking about a different kind of warfare and a different kind of outcome. >> jamie: in the meantime, admiral mullen saying we will continue to reassess. that's probably a very good approach and sounds like you agree. thank you so much for being with u...