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Naval facility. to some extent he's absolutely right. where do we have our bases? we have them to protect our national interest. i think that russia has a lot stronger base, certainly when it comes to syria, of national interest in syria than we do. because that's the single naval port that they have a long limited training, they've been selling arms into syria. as colonel schaefer mentioned, they have been building up their alliances in that region, specifically to iran. with the announcement that we are pulling the support from the cia backed rebels, and i we have to look at this and say wha...

There are some outstanding questions. number one, as colonel schaefer mentioned, we had a hard time evaluating who is moderate in his not. the concept of these organized rebel groups, always more paper than anything realistic. my concern is if there are truly moderates, we put them in a position where they have a binary choice. they can either accept assad or they can join something like al qaeda or the islamic state. there are questions that have to be answered for the potential blowback. but i agree completely with colonel schaefer that look, we've never really had a successful execution of ...

Engage with local muslim communities who will often push back against this sort of surveillance effort the new york police department and others in the united states have had a lot of success with in the years after 9/11. pete: colonel schaefer, we heard nigel farage they weren't thought of this guy, going after the 2,003,000 people who are currently on a terror watch list. that doesn't address the other 22,000 that live in separate communities, no go zones. what do you think should happen? local authorities be doing with the dragnet approach to this? >> they've been engaging with the wrong gr...

Investigation at the time. so this is a tangled situation. and i think hearings are going to be necessary, it's going to be necessary to get to the bottom of what happened. but that doesn't mean that's the way we go back at the russians. the way to go back at the russians is to get the price of oil down by putting some competition into the oil market. that would sting them millions of times more than our going at them with some kind of hacking problem. >> very interesting. colonel schaefer, before i have to say good-bye to the two of you, i want to ask you also, does it bother you that preside...

But i'm a little confused about why we have so much public commentary from the heads of that agency and other places in washington on these issues. when something happens like being hacked or other oppressive measures against democracy, the -- russians, by the way, do this all the time. they call it spreading disinformation or lies. and i think that it's important for us to realize that they do it in a very nasty way, but we do something ourselves, look back on the visit of maybe netanyahu here to washington and look at the way the obama administration treated him. it wasn't neutral. so there ...