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This is too large a war, too much of a risk that this cold war that's already impacting economics is being fought in an interracial domain and will spill out militarily. we have to do something. this has every aspect of expanding into a larger war like the two major wars in the 20th century. so we should accept that that's the fact. we shouldn't have wishful thinking that we're going to return to some normalcy with russia. as long as putin is in power, it's a cold war and we should plan and expect for russia to interfere with our elections. >> colonel vindman, thank you for your time. i apprec...

Stay focused on it. and your stories every night are helping us. molly, you know i'm going back, but you are going to be here for a while. we are going to make sure that those stories that you bring us every night make it on to our tv sets and our viewers can see them. molly, thanks again, we'll talk to you later. nbc's molly hunter, in kyiv, she is on the capital of ukraine. joining me now is the retired military colonel alexander vindman. he's charge of european affairs for the security council, and author of the important book here, right matters, an american story. colonel vindman, i want ...

On the ground, like a war czar, like we had a covid star. but someone to coordinate these 30 countries that are donating equipment and making sure they are prioritizing get to ukraine when they need. to that it's a part that is now starting to shape up. it's probably going to be another week or two, but we're starting to at least move in that direction. it's going to have a significant improvement in ukraine's ability to sustain and those who are. >> colonel, if you had not talked about the phone call between donald trump and volodymyr zelenskyy, you might still be in your job advising on this...

On earlier from molly hunter about the killings, the rapes, the war crimes that russia is undertaking in ukraine, i think only highlights that the world needs to come together to act to defend ukraine right now. but what i worry about and what i think colonel vindman also worries about is if russia's plan a has failed to take the major cities. then their plan b cannot be allowed to succeed. to go to the donbas, to claim the territory and have a permanent presence on ukrainian soil. we have to deprive the russian military of that capability by continuing to arm the ukrainians with high-capacity...

Today. >> thank you so much, andrea. and joining us now, jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and pentagon and retired colonel alexander vindman. ambassador greenfield was saying why this is important. people may not notice the u.n. human rights counsel, but it's a first strong signal to russia. showing how hard they fought behind the scenes to stop this from happening. >> and if you couple that with what secretary tony blinken talked about. not just our nato allies but from australia, japan, the republic of korea, including and partners including finland and other non-nato countrie...