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And allow the ukrainians to do what they're doing now, which is really punish the russian armed forces for every inch of ground they take and grind them down and then at that point, vladimir putin is just going -- his military leadership is going to tell him they don't have the resources. russia could attempt to do a full mobilization but that's unlikely, and he has to pack up and go home, claiming that he succeeded. >> colonel vindman, what is it in that category of military assistance that you would like to see nato and the u.s. give ukraine that we have not yet? can you just be specific? >>...

Moment. the national security official, lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, listening on that call, and testified about it to congress. >> frankly, i could not believe what i was hearing. it was probably in a moment of shock. it was my worst fear of how our ukraine policy played out and, was playing out. now, this was likely to have significant implications for u.s. national security. >> you went, and immediately report in, it didn't you? >> i did. >> why? >> because that is my duty. >> colonel vindman, joining me now. good to have you. how do you think about the connection between putin's o...

Months down the road. maybe without diplomatic gains. >> colonel vindman, let me stay on that point you just made about the so-called -- that vladimir putin is promising and is now a central mission to this campaign. what would defined do you nazi vacation for putin publicly? would he have to add minimum arrest president zelenskyy? >> those are all made up terms, there are no nazis in ukraine. i showed a clip on twitter today about holocaust survivors from world war ii, talking about their experience back then and how it mirrors today and sending the message of putin to leave. for putin, it's ...

Massive damage -- sorry. there are some seriously strong wind over here. yeah, so, they will see the damage and they will have blood on their hands because they will be the ones responsible for encouraging vladimir putin for offering them the opportunity for portraying the u.s. as divided. and that is what vladimir putin was acting on when he started this buildup just days after january 6th insurrection effort. >> yeah, i think it will be interesting to see if that rhetoric changes if and when there is a full blown invasion and casualties. i do think, you know, one of the things that at least ...

1945. >> ukrainian ambassador to the united nations today clearly invoking hitler while commenting on vladimir putin's decision to put russia's nukes on high alert. colonel vindman, you were the first to speak on this program extensively about preparing ourselves for what's happening, exactly what's happening. i wonder if you can take a step back and just talk to me about the players, about what putin underestimated about zelenskyy and about what you think when you hear the analysis ant putin's seeming isolation and everyone seems to edge it instability. >> yeah. so maybe i'll start with a sad...