>> right. we talked, yeah, we talked about him going in the air force. i talked about him going into the air force. he said he didn't think that's what he wanted to do. he was, quite frankly i think a fellow that wanted to defend our country. he wanted to be involved actively in that and i think he thought the army offered him that best opportunity to do it. and, as you can see from his short career, he was in 13 years and had four separate combat environments, if you want to count haiti as one although that wasn't officially combat. and he did that in a 13-year period. >> also in that 13-year...