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It would clearly lead to direct war with russia. militarily -- >> i'd pause you to walk us through that point and then continue. what you're saying is when some experts and advocates say well a no-fly zone would help ukraine withstand this putin onslaught, this invasion, your response is as a military matter, it would be not at risk of, but it would be an actual shooting war with russia? >> oh, of course. i mean these s-400 missiles got a range of 400 kilometers, track 36 targets at a time, we'd have to go after the s-400s to maintain the air cap, we'd have to pound ground targets where russia...

Gesture versus a defensive gesture? >> well, that would be a very difficult number to estimate because nobody really knows what's going on inside putin's head. so i don't know what threshold would be his consideration to determine that the rapid movement of american forces and the nato response force and these high readiness combat units, whether those offer any kind of a threat to his unfolding plans in ukraine or threaten the security of his operations. i have no idea what's in his head. but we know what we think and i would leave that to general walters, who is the supreme allied commander ...

Sandbag buildings, the ukraine flag autographed by combat units. >> very terrible. i don't understand the reason for the invasion. >> reporter: this is the other side of lviv, hundreds of desperate people coming from all over ukraine hit by the russian military, coming to this train station and trying to get to at least peace and freedom in poland. what started as disorganized panic is now at least a reasonable system. the reasons behind it haven't changed. terror of russians, over 2.5 million on the run. >> i lost everything, maybe my life -- >> reporter: lost everything. >> yes. >> reporter:...

The pacific ocean. conceivably, to reinforce either with troops or materiel the effort in ukraine. what would it tell you about the state of the russian military, a, the state of the campaign in ukraine and the state of the russian military writ large if they're having to find resources over here and take the long haul all the way over here. >> right. well, i think, you know, obviously this is a testament to the problems the russians are having. to me, it's an acknowledgment of the depletion of many of their combat units don't know what's on these ships, troops or materiel. but the russian far...

>> reporter: there has been a limited respite for the people of kyiv over the last 24 hours, not withstanding the murder of american journalist brent renaud. there have been a reduction overall in the levels of air strikes and bombardments here in the capital. that is because military analysts in the united states and united kingdom have believed that there is a consolidation and reorganization going on within russian forces, possibly with reinforcements from their combat units further east for a push in against the capital city from the east as part of their ongoing attempts to try to encircl...