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Upstart. this time it's different because barack obama was in his 40's when he became president and even though joe biden is three decades older than paul ryan, that issue is muted a little bit. >> clayton: interestingly in 2008. then candidate biden, vice-presidential nominee at the time had a walk a delicate balance with sarah palin. he had to be respectful of her on the stage and strong a lot of people thought it was a tie at theened of the debate wherever you stand on it want matter, but here is a clip from that, we'll get you to respond to that moment. >> you voted for the war and now you...

Nobody's politicizing, and i was in washington d.c. during 9/11. no one is politicizing our homeland security. mitt romney wants to be command ner chief. mitt romney wants to be the leader of the free world and we had power through strengths, strengths through power, but going and apologizing to different countries on our policy and protecting our homeland is appeasement, number one. i'm not comparing this with world war ii. >> what he was doing-- >> lady, one sec. >> i apologize. >> jamie: we are in a serious and deadly situation right now and these attacks, both today, perhaps-- calm down a ...

Going to rehash afghanistan policy, but what i think is a proxy for what judy said, is you know, yet another reason for the right to attack obama and where i would disagree with monica, i think the media has fallen short not pointing out the nine times when he was president, that president bush apologized to heads of state, including hamid karzai, including china, including japan and yes, including right at the end of his presidency for the-- for u.s. soldiers shooting, using a koran as target practice, he apologized to the people of iraq. look, karzai can't control the people of afghanistan, ...

Iraq is he not the greatest command ner chief in modern day of presidents not the 21st century, but the 20th century. >> mike: aur audience doesn't think so. no, i don't think so. he always wants to talk about what he inherited. he inherited a war that turned because after surge that he opposed. he inherited incredible military that he had never been so fond of until he became commander-in-chief and realized these are the most remarkable americans that live. i'm grateful these americans are coming home. i'm grateful it's ending. i hope it works out well. but i don't see how i can see those two...

Iraq is he not the greatest command ner chief in modern day of presidents not the 21st century, but the 20th century. >> mike: aur audience doesn't think so. no, i don't think so. he always wants to talk about what he inherited. he inherited a war that turned because after surge that he opposed. he inherited incredible military that he had never been so fond of until he became commander-in-chief and realized these are the most remarkable americans that live. i'm grateful these americans are coming home. i'm grateful it's ending. i hope it works out well. but i don't see how i can see those two...