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Rein him in, you give him a script, plead with him to stick to it and minimize the risk for an unforced error. you can call that a prevent defense approach. but there's a downside and we've seep it. the joe biden who looks down at his speech and reads from it is a different joe biden. there is a notable lack of energy in his delivery. there's no passion, there's no punch. he is 76 years old and when he sticks to the script like that, he seems 76 years old. there's a risk in that too. the alternative is to let biden be biden, the biden who tosses the script aside, who walks away from the podium...

That happens in old age is that, unlike younger people, where you have the command performances of either school or work, old age often is accompanied by extreme isolation, and then invisibility, and so we lose track sometimes of the most vulnerable older people. and they can be very, very vulnerab vulnerable, and nobody notices. >> you speak of this vulnerability. if your relatives aa -- doesn't have the mental capacity to explain or to tell you that they're suffering or being abused, if they have alzheimer's or dementia, how can you tell if they're being mistreated? >> well, there are some -...

When general kelly comes out, says everything is fine in the white house, the people shouldn't believe stories about chaos or dysfunction, is that believable? and is he saying that as much for the president to hear as anyone else, since now jeff zeleny reported he was asked to go out. >> nothing says i'm not going to get fired like calling a press conference telling the press you're not going to get fired. i think it's similar to when jeff sessions was under fire, and he called a press conference to say we're going to go after leakers. i think people around the president have realized when he'...

So i do think there's tension there. you never know where you stand with this president. he doesn't actually like to fire people, despite some of his bluster, but he does like to keep people on their toes and sometimes even hang them out to dry. so you have these continued sort of humiliating command performances by top members of the staff or cabinet in order to curry favor, in order to your question, i think, to speak directly to the president through the media and to say, look, i have your back and i'm subservient to you. >> janice, as someone who worked in the white house, how did you see ...