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Judge timothy walmsley to impose the maximum. let's discuss. michael moore is here, a former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia, and senior legal analyst laura coates is here, the author of "just pursuit." good evening to both of you. laura, i spoke earlier to wanda cooper jones. it was in the last hour. it aired on this program. she said today was a huge win for the family. the judge really set the tone during the entire trial of these three men, and today was really no different. he was unsparing when he was talking about the mcmichaels. don't you think? >> absolutely, and i wa...

That's where i was going with a comment of, you don't really know what people are thinking when they watch the video. morgan, i would say to you, one thing i find really interesting is watching a different channel -- they do interviews. >> morgan: you can't watch anything. [laughter] may be espn. >> melissa: when they do interviews with the people in the caravan, and you hear what they think about what's being said. one sound bite that william had earlier this morning was about the idea of people and they caravan saying the president has to say that, because if he doesn't say "no one can come ...

Likes it. >> so when you hear that phrase from the president, stone cold thief directed at andrew gillum, what do you hear? >> i should say for the record i have degrees from harvard and yale. >> congratulations. >> what i hear is a continuation of the desantis strategy, right? on the first day of the campaign, he made a comment of, let's not monkey this up. h it was thinly coated. they have been throwing everything but the kitchen sink at andrew gillum because he is doing well. he's got a lot of money. he's got a lot of excitement. they are trying to tear him down. it is a reckless charge, as...