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For trump if he's the nominee. with me now cnn political commentator errol lewis and commentator s.e. cupp. would you agree pence chooses his words carefully? >> very. whether trump wins or losses will have nothing to do with mike pence. i don't think he's a relevant factor in this republican party. the trump fans see him as a trader. and never trumpers like me think he enabled trump too much. so i don't know who mike pence's natural voters are, and i don't think we're all playing the waiting game he wants us to play. >> it's interesting because even with 80% approval, donald trump has to cont...

Election and 2024. i mean, we could wind up in a situation where the wheels come off of our democracy and it is because of folks like blake masters. >> let's talk about this and many more of these midterm headlines. dana bash and commentator s.e. cupp. s.e., let me begin with you. as a republican, blake masters clearly said, i think trump won in 2020. that was in a campaign ad last year. now pressed by a very apt moderator, i should note, he had to actually answer the question for what he thinks now in the general. what do you make of all of it? >> well it was a great answer. if i'm -- if i'm ...

People find congress so dysfunctional that all of these women are running in governor races. i think that is the most interest. >> that is such a good point. >> there is the house and the senate was completely dysfunctional, they don't think they could get anything down there. and going right to the state houses. i think that is the most interesting part of story. >> yeah. dana. >> that is a really good point. i was think being this, poppy, as we were preparing to come on and it is remarkable as s.e. said, but what has been as remarkable to me is how unremarkable it has been as i've gone into ...

Great, yeah, but. but all of the other economic issues that go is a long with it. there is a, to quote a one term democratic president, a malaise that is out there. and that is what our polls have shown in some of these key states, nevada and arizona. people just don't feel good because inflation is high, because there is so much discord and discontent in this country and that is a big part of what you're describing. >> i want to turn the corner since i have the opportunity to have two brilliant women on with me. s.e., to have you both, but talk about dana has been doing reporting on the races...

And we shouldn't be happy about that. or have you seen gas prices. i mean, i think that is an appealing message to republicans. but unfortunately, blake masters had to run through a election denialism to get there. to get the nomination and that is where a lot of republican candidates felt, you know, they had to go and it is so bad and i think dangerous that someone like liz cheney who is to the right to the right of right would vote for a democrat if she were a voter in arizona right now. that is how bad it is. >> go ahead, dana. >> poppy, it used to be before 2020, that the sort of playbook ...