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Material impact on the investigation. and, look, he's done it before, as you pointed out. he pardoned steve bannon. he pardoned all of his cronies at the end of his first term as president. and there's every reason to believe he will pardon more in the future. and that will affect how the current investigation goes. >> what do you think, s.e.? >> reporter: right. and jeffrey is completely right. and that's the legal side. but it's worse -- and, again, to look at trumpism as a cult, you will to look at these people and shake them and say, donald trump doesn't care about you. donald trump doesn'...

Him as factual. this is entertainment. that is the content label that joe rogan and tucker carlson should come for. this is entertainment. this isn't journalism. rather than bending it to fit into journalism, which i think is a lost cause and maybe even a dangerous one, we should allow them to just be entertainers. and that doesn't mean they get to spew nonsense and disinformation without warnings and fact checking. but these are not journalists. we shouldn't make them pretend to be. . >> the 60s are back. long-haired freaky people need not apply. s.e. and c.j., thank you very much. appreciate...

Inciting violence in broad daylight >> reporter: it's not necessarily news that donald trump doesn't change, but donald trump doesn't change. the statement is almost identical to what he said right before the riot at the capitol. that, you know, it walks up to the line of calling for violence. the implication is to call for violence. but he doesn't exactly say he's calling for violence. however, his supporters understand exactly what he's saying. and he's calling for violence. so, you know, we've all been warned, and we'll see what happens as he likes to say. >> what do you think, s.e.? >> rep...

You have to balance who you are talking to, checking your facts, being responsible about the misinformation or information that you put in your podcasts. you're a journalist whether you want to say so or not. you have to take on those responsibilities. >> i would joe rogan would say he is not anywhere close to being a journalist. >> he's at a journalist. >> so, did he blink, s.e.? did spotify blink here and does it matter? >> you know, he does this occasionally when there's a backlash to something he has said about covid, for example. he will say i'm not a doctor. and, you know, he says it aft...

And commentator s.e. cupp is back with us. joni mitchell, neil young, did they effect change? >> yes. they did. spe spot filed joe rogan to come out and say something about what's going on. they may have underestimated the power of neil young and joni mitchell. back when i was a music critic, i talked to neil young and joni mitchell. one thing i found interesting is how much artists would talk to me about joni mitchell and neil young. they are among the most cited musicians and many said they influenced their work. if they say, hey, there is something about joe rogan's podcast, take a look at ...