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And might testi against him. in that case, can he still have the right to fire them and not be obstructing? >> he's right. again, the important thing just like with pardons, if he's doing things in a way that amounts, in fact, politically serious and damaging exercise, he can be -- he can be impeached. let me tell you, the problem of holding opposite argument is, you can hobble the president and commerce core functions, remember this, the president is in a unique position, the president has personal interest and chief when he cuetive, how are they supposed to discern whether he pardons sheriff...

And might testify against him. in that case, can he still have the right to fire them and not be obstructing? >> he's right. again, the important thing just like with pardons, if he's doing things in a way that amounts, in fact, politically serious and damaging exercise, he can be -- he can be impeached. let me tell you, the problem of holding opposite argument is, you can hobble the president and commerce core functions, remember this, the president is in a unique position, the president has personal interest and chief when he cuetive, how are they supposed to discern whether he pardons sheri...