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ensberger, is that enough to prove a crime, and if so, what is it? >> she's a state d.a., and it is enough to show solicitation to committee election fraud. it seems pretty clean. you heard trump in that piece, he'll say, i generally thought i won. if you bear down on the intent requirement of georgia law, it shouldn't matter. but that will be the fight t sort of state of mind of trump or his defense attorney saying, he really believed it, you know. it's kind of crazy to say he believed it, but i think it's beside the point anyway. but that's where the fight comes up. and, yeah, the prosecution itself, play the tape, and you can almost -- and call raffensperger, and you can almost rest after that. >> so real quickly before we go, ivanka trump today was asked to testify voluntarily. what do you make of that?