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She now has with her father where they literally cannot talk because they see two different kinds of news. that is where i think in addition to more weapons faster, like the admiral said, in addition to more sanctions foster, every week we put sanctions in place, but every week we have to put more sanctions in place. and in addition to -- which i think we are doing great on that, i think the weak spot in our strategy is on the communication side. we are not doing a better job of getting news into russia, and that is where i think we have to be creative. it is hard, it is a really hard thing to...

So if you don't sort of as the president has said, play ball, you exit and they put it someone who they think will do their bidding for them. >> yeah. and you know, let me bring you into this, because the communication side of this is -- maybe even more insane than the weird chase a conspiracy theory ahab quest of these investigations that are trying to force ukraine to do. i want to read you a little bit of "washington post" this morning. trump calls the foreign leaders have long worried aides leaving some genuinely horrified. some contend that trump's behavior had at times created unnecessar...

And again, his own officials are not calling out the veracity of that reporting. i think that the power to pardon is something that the president didn't know a ton about when he came into the white house but he's been very enamored of that potential power once he fully grasped it. and we saw in several instances in the mueller report in which he -- a bunch of aides stopped him from obstructing justice. i think that the president doesn't always understand the boundaries of governing and government and we've seen that time and time again with instances in the mueller report with this idea that y...

Potential power once he fully grasped it. and we saw in several instances in the mueller report in which he -- a bunch of aides stopped him from obstructing justice. i think that the president doesn't always understand the boundaries of governing and government and we've seen that time and time again with instances in the mueller report with this idea that you can just seize land from people and sort of ask for forgiveness later and do pardons. i think that is part of the president's governing strategy. >> gene, what do you make of it? the idea apparently coming from the white house here, the ...

Instances in the mueller report with this idea that you can just seize land from people and sort of ask for forgiveness later and do pardons. i think that is part of the president's governing strategy. >> gene, what do you make of it? the idea apparently coming from the white house here, the idea that yes, maybe he said the words but the words weren't meant -- the interpretation of the words coming through these news stories might be off a little bit. >> that's sort of the go-to move of what you would call the communication side of the white house which is not a functioning communications shop...