This way you can bootstrap your way to the moon, and then to mars, and then maybe even to the outer planets. so you have to have that communications, refueling, manufacturing. you need to be able to do manufacturing in space. you don't want to drag everything out of the gravity well. it's too expensive. so that is really why -- i don't like to think about privatization. i like to think about commerce. there's got to be jobs for people, good, well-paying jobs that people -- give people a reason to go into space, and that infrastructure is what is so essential. now, in some sense we have to reme...