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Then on august 2011, you received an e-mail from sidney blumenthal, that's tab 11, in which he wrote this to you. this is a historic moment and you will be credited for realizing it. when gadhafi himself is finally removed, you should, of course, make a public statement before the cameras wherever you are even if the driveway of your vacation home. you must go on camera. that was blumenthal's admonishment to you. >> and i don't recall doing that, just in case you're going to ask me. >> look, the timing, you forwarded blumenthal's suggestion to jake sullivan. and you were focused on how dramati...

Use of private security guards. my understanding is that the country of libya, is host nation in this case did not allow your security contractors to carry firearms. the blue mountain guards. i think the blue mountain guards were not allow to carry firearms, is that right? >> blue mountain was not. certainly our diplomat security officers were. the militia members who were supposed to be providing din etic help for us were. so it was only the static guards that were not. now, i will say that some of those guards did stand their ground. they were basically run over. several of them were injured...

I'm not sure in that's case an air strike would have saved anybody's life and might have cost some more. there was one critical flaw, when you talk to people in the pentagon, brian, they identified after this, which was that the rescue squads that would go in to get an ambassador, nearest one was basically on the continental united states, on as you say the anniversary of september 11th. there are now such squads, a whole lot closer, including some in europe. unclear they ever could have got tonight libya in time to save ambassador stevens. in fact, unlikely that they could. but it probably wa...

Pleased with the work that you did and the risks that you took, the leadership that you took -- you know, a couple of hours ago you toemd me, hey, i'm the diplomat here, i'm driving the policy. and isn't it true ta you'd been thinking about getting political credit actually for months on this? >> no. >> well, if that's your attention -- >> but congressman, please, if i could. >> sure. >> we were trying to make sure that what was written because it's not always accurate, in case you all haven't noticed in your own careers, what was written about a very important foreign policy effort by this ad...

Video of her saying, what difference does it make, was the compelling trumping case that she wasn't really coming clear in terms of the horror of this thing. now she has. and i think it was great for her that she got it on the record today and it makes it available, i think, possibly to be used by her campaign for president. i wouldn't be surprised, her testimony in this regard could be pretty strong. >> chris matthews who predicted today would be about changing soundbyte, changing the quote, in effect from "what difference does it make?" to what we've received from the former secretary today....