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People's lives the history of social programs in this country shows how hard it is. >> there's also the competence issue, too, which i think democrats also have to in a sense defend. >> but i love the point that you brought back the populism question, woet of you, on the building a broader populist movement because in terms of legislative accomplishments and achievements aca is sort of the most important populist policy effect that we have seen over the course of the past decade. as you point out, all of these presidents trying to do what president obama actually accomplishing it, but as much ...

>> michael, as a conservative i'm never going to be able to reconcile this with geraldo who i like and respect. he's a real liberal. i cannot reconcile. i believe this is unsustainable. we cannot afford it. it will bankrupt the country. care will be inferior. we will become western europe in a matter of time. >> the question you raised at the beginning of the segment about whether or not we can trust the president anymore, the politics is about perception. regardless of whether or not we believe he lied about it. if he wanted -- >> polls show they believe it. >> 39% was the latest poll to show...

Who's hurt? the american people. >> michael, as a conservative i'm never going to be able to reconcile this with geraldo who i like and respect. he's a real liberal. i cannot reconcile. i believe this is unsustainable. we cannot afford it. it will bankrupt the country. care will be inferior. we will become western europe in a matter of time. >> the question you raised at the beginning of the segment about whether or not we can trust the president anymore, the politics is about perception. regardless of whether or not we believe he lied about it. if he wanted -- >> polls show they believe it. >...

>> michael, as a conservative i'm never going to be able to reconcile this with geraldo who i like and respect. he's a real liberal. i cannot reconcile. i believe this is unsustainable. we cannot afford it. it will bankrupt the country. care will be inferior. we will become western europe in a matter of time. >> the question you raised at the beginning of the segment about whether or not we can trust the president anymore, the politics is about perception. regardless of whether or not we believe he lied about it. if he wanted -- >> polls show they believe it. >> 39% was the latest poll to show...

Then tacked far to the right. >> hillary clinton, i'm not her speechwriter, she will go after the worst in your party. she won't debate the guy running against her, she'll debate the worst elements in your party. >> we have gender gap problem. we have an hispanic problem. we have to have somebody that expands the base. >> what would you say the woman not your age, my age, said it's about time to have a woman president. how do you fight that argument if she's obviously qualified? >> it's a tough one. you have to find those women -- there will be a woman who will vote purely on it. you have to m...