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Enforced, on the competition side of thing the big packers have the financial ability to sell at a loss. they can undercut some of these small processors for long enough that it puts him out of business. that's illegal. it shouldn't be allowed to happen. if we put more transparency and teeth into pack ards and stockyards, we can make sure that doesn't happen. who is the inner? not only the cow calf guys, not only the guys in rural america, it's also the consumer. everybody wins. and right now we are beholden to four companies on the beef side of things that is going to ruin rural america and g...

I applauded his actions a couple days ago. now congress needs to step up and meet our end of the bargain, too, so we can keep our food chain secure. this is about national security, rural economy, about a lot of things and it's all very important. >> when you made the point there about meat packers lowering their prices, i want to make sure, for the audience that i grew up with in cities like boston who didn't flow where the fleer exist farm was, you are talking about the prices that the meat packers pay to the farmer. not what the meat packers then turn around and charge as that food moves it...

Audience that i grew up with, in cities like boston, who didn't know where the nearest farm was, you are talking about the prices that the meatpackers pay to the farmer. not with the meatpackers then turn around and charge as that food moves its way through the food chain. >> i am actually talking about both. i'm talking about prices paid to the former, that puts them out of business, that -- produces, that puts them out of business. i'm also talking about the competition side of things. and this is where the packers can be enforced as well. on the competition side of things, the big packers h...