Debt and we'll let you compete for our business. i think that's what is happening here. >> rick: but i'm just wondering if we're out to try to boost u.s. manufacturing, if we're out to try to help the american worker, why wouldn't we keep a policy like this? i don't understand that part of it. >> for a couple reasons. because a loft those products -- there are companies that make a lot of money off of our government and doesn't necessarily give us the best price. let competition win. if our products aren't good enough, then they shouldn't win that business. it shouldn't be artificially inflate...