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Lie to congress, there are others out there, donald trump, jr., being i think the most popular name that you hear coming up, that is going to be one of them. so both on the obstruction front as well as on the collusion front, you can see the tentacles of this case extending to many other individuals. >> mimi, it's always been hard for me personally following the stone situation because i know him to be a lifetime buffoon, an absolute abject buffoon who no one in politics took seriously. so it's always been hard for me to believe he's at the center of anything even interesting in a political ca...

Will bring more indictments. >> so i do think that the next series of indictments or indictments that are going to be coming out, are going to give us in fact those final clues -- >> now, you refer to the next series of indictments. why do you believe there will be a next series of indictments? >> whether it's one indictment that's going to include the indictments of many people or it's going to come out together. but i do think robert mueller is going to try to bring this to some type of closure in the coming months. and i would find it very hard to believe that other indictments are not goin...

>> jennifer ruben, if you're looking for logic in the madness of roger stone it can only be he's looking for a relatively short prison sentence or a pardon from donald trump so he can get one of these online shows like the one he appeared on today. >> that's the only logical explanation. and i think he better hope for the pardon because i don't think he's going to end up with a short sentence. mimi said something interesting. you can see the out lines of charges in this case. and one of the questions in my mind is will mueller indict wikileaks? and that is left as a hanging question i think wi...

That have come out even just today. i thought it was interesting that when stone was arraigned apparently in court on his indictment the case was designated as a, quote, complex case. that's a technical designation that means that the volume and type of discovery and evidence in this case is so complex that the parties in the court are going to need extra time to sort of sort through it before a trial date can be set. well, this indictment on its face is pretty straightforward indictment. i mean, i'm not saying there's not other evidence. but frankly, what's laid out in the indictment could al...

He believes that robert mueller will bring more indictments. >> so i do think that the next series of indictments or indictments that are going to be coming out, are going to give us in fact those final clues -- >> now, you refer to the next series of indictments. why do you believe there will be a next series of indictments? >> whether it's one indictment that's going to include the indictments of many people or it's going to come out together. but i do think robert mueller is going to try to bring this to some type of closure in the coming months. and i would find it very hard to believe tha...