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Politics that dominate our country, but we have a better way. that's what i'm running to take to washington on behalf of the people of utah. >> okay. i appreciate the thought. i'm sure many of our viewers do. the fact is the republican party remained enthralled of donald trump. you see that in the polling, in republican leaders who expressed criticism or even alarm in the past, like a nick kki haley. is there a realistic challenge to trump as we face 2024? >> it's not naive. it's what we need. if we're not going to do this kind of campaign that seeks to unite people in the face of the kind of ...

Them? >> well, first of all, i am entering the campaign here, jake, because we've got deeper problems than even trump. there's a lot of trump talk and certainly i have spent a lot of time over the last four to five years warning against the dangers that he posed to the republic. but we've got deeper issues. and that is that we're so divided as a country. we're so polarized that we're failing to solve major challenges facing the country. it was a tough summer here in utah where we had forest fires in the state and outside of the state and our air quality was the worst in the world. we're facing...

>> forward, not backward. that would be an important slogan, at that time. now, war crimes had been prosecuted, in the wake of the abuse, say, the prison in iraq, the most probably notorious and recorded, documented war crime in the bush years. 11 u.s. soldiers were convicted of crimes related to the abuse, capture in those infamous photos. former army reserve soldier was sentenced to three years in prison for her role. but remember, nothing ever happened to secretary of defense donald rumsfeld, who authorized the use of the interrogation techniques that multiple reports found led to that. and...

Yesterday. when you do modeling, you can imagine you have a problem at one reactor that you can deal with. when you begin problems at multiple reactors and you're cutting back staff so as not to expose them, there are really limits to what humans can handle, in terms of compounding crises at the same time. and of course one of the concerns here, wolf, is that if you had ha major release of radiation in the area from the spent fuel pond, what do you do? do you send those 50 people home? you can't do that because then the reactors 1, 2, and 3 are in danger. the ones that are we're hoping the rea...