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The world on issues such as stem cell research and now perhaps contraception that they would effectively if not necessarily intentionally relegate the social justice work and teaching to second-class status. >> so a lot to talk about there. and i would love, love to get into that. and what we around the table call matthew 25 christians in a minute. first, let's go to back to friday. you were along with sister carol and other catholics against the white house's contraception hhs ruling, but you think the president did the right thing and did enough to move beyond this issue. tell us why. >> wel...

Catholic charities, the catholic hospitals, people work with immigrants or inner city school kids. and the original world basically said this is not really religious activity so there's no exemption. well, for goodness sake, all of these people are doing this work because they are inspired by the gospel. so we were very critical of the president. but there are two legitimate issues here. one is the desire of the administration and i think most americans to make sure that health care plans cover contraception. that's a legitimate goal. the other is how do you get that coverage to them without f...