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Believe that mike pompeo, this was the last thing that he wanted to do because it put him in such a compromising position with his own workforce. i mean, i think the real actor in this isn't director pompeo, it's president trump, who directed him to go do this and the act of meeting gave some throwaway to this conspiracy theory that it really didn't deserve. and i know in my heart that director pompeo knew that his workforce would not look upon this in any happy way. >> i mean, a meeting like that -- when the president tells you to, if you are the director of the cia, that's something you have...

This, but, anderson, i've got to believe that mike pompeo, this was the last thing that he wanted to do because it put him in such a compromising position with his own workforce. i mean, i think the real actor in this isn't director pompeo, it's president trump, who directed him to go do this and the act of meeting gave some throwaway to this conspiracy theory that it really didn't deserve. and i know in my heart that director pompeo knew that his workforce would not look upon this in any happy way. >> i mean, a meeting like that -- when the president tells you to, if you are the director of t...

Lots of business dealings. it's not fisa, it's fara. if i walk into a bar and the bar is being surveilled, does that mean i am being surveilled?is i think manafort was very irresponsible -- he did it for no pay. if they were wiretapping manafort inappropriately, fine. but i would say right now he is looking down the barrel of a gu gun. >> kennedy: but when is it appropriate? if you haven't done anything wrong, you can still be caught up. that's very problematic. >> kimberly: what dana said -- what we've been saying is manafort -- what his business dealings and interactions were. and he imprope...

>> dana: same with clapper and rice. >> kimberly: by the way, who would have access to that information and then yes, the president could have been caught up in it. going well into 2017. again, it puts the president and a compromising position. >> dana: i think paul manafort is staring down the barrel of the gun.n. the o.j. of the fbi. i'm there to flip into has to make a lot of people very concerned because it's not that he was calling president trump after the election even. now you actually have -- who else? all of these people being called into talk to the grand jury and investigators who ...

Back and look in his client list and you know the kind of things he's been involved in, yeah, you might assume. >> jesse: he's kind of a shady guy. >> kennedy: but the person who hired him to be a campaign manager also has some responsibility but i also think the president, being touched by this form of spying -- >> dana: we don't know yet. section 702. all of the wiretaps. >> kennedy: whether it fisa or a federal judge issued it. >> dana: fbi and then fisa. >> kimberly: then fbi did it and comey, how can he not know if his own fbi was doing that? that's another problem. by the way, who would ...