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They really didn't commit any crimes, they didn't do anything wrong, the target has that opportunity. people may ask, well why not subpoena the target? because, a subpoena is a compulsion order and a target is a fifth amendment right not to incriminate himself. so they simply invite him and they put him on notice that the next step is that we are likely to indict. >> very sink, glenn. i knew you'd have the information. all right, so that is the other jacks mitt investigation, but then there's the trump's classified documents case. téa now has a trial date, it's set for may of 2024, and that i...

Amendment right not to testify. that means that a prosecutor could compel him to testify and make him answer questions. a couple of wrinkles with that. number one, when you compel a witness as opposed to having a witness cooperate, they're a lot less likely to volunteer and tell the fulgt story. they may answer yes and no truthfully but they're not going to volunteer the information you really need to tell a compelling narrative. they're not quite as useful as a cooperator. the other thing is i'm not so sure you could get that compulsion order. what you have to get from a judge based on a show...

If he doesn't cooperate, once this trial concludes, they will likely be able to compel his testimony and although it's always better to have someone testifying as the result of cooperation as as opposed to a compulsion order, manafort can likely shed a lot of light on many of these issues. >> joyce vance, former u.s. attorney from the northern district of alabama, we're always grateful to have you especially on nights like tonight. president trump and his personal attorney rudy giuliani keep changing their minds what the president will be asked about should he sit down with mueller for an inte...

Go to the court and get a compulsion order so you try to work out an informal arrangement without bothering the court. but you can go to the court and tell the court, i promise not to use the defendant's statements against him and the court will issue an order compelling the person to testify. so if in violation of that order you refuse to testify that is also contempt of court. >> he complained about the burdensome nature of the subpoena and they were demanding to know all of his communication with carter page and he says he has no communication with carter page. so we all know you write that...

>> i think that was the word he used is offered. offered immunity. so not clear whether he's accepted that offer. but one of the things that can happen is the prosecutor could go to the court and get a compulsion order so you try to work out an informal arrangement without bothering the court. but you can go to the court and tell the court, i promise not to use the defendant's statements against him and the court will issue an order compelling the person to testify. so if in violation of that order you refuse to testify that is also contempt of court. >> he complained about the burdensome natu...