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in georgia and alsbrook to set up a bank robbery, that they would all be involved in, that georgia could have charged him. we'll hear the charge trying to involve stealing an election, and analytically there's no reason he is cloaked in federal immunity if in fact he has committed that crime. >> joyce, it used to be a federal employee and i can tell you it never crossed my mind that if i committed a crime, i could use effect i worked for the federal government to protect myself. so we will see what this judge says at this hearing. téa, in georgia specifically, you've got these codefendants that are named out there. the georgia republican party also wrapped up and this and now there are to rob pocan's putting plans together to go after d.a. fani willis. what can you tell us about what is percolating with the georgia republican party with this case? >> republican leaders in georgia during the last
defendants interests. and doesn't have an illusions towards some pack or the former president. >> téa, let's turn back to the georgia case. d.a. fani willis has given 19 codefendants until friday at noon to turn themselves in. with only seen to surrender. donald trump says he's going on thursday. we don't know what time on thursday. are you surprised we have not seen more people surrender given that we got this conversation on tuesday evening, basically wednesday? >> kind, of. no because i think they're all getting their ducks in a row. some of them we don't even know if they've reached agreements on bond amounts, for example. most of them have, but not all. and i think, you know, just like anyone else, you kind of wait until the last minute sometimes. so i think we're going to continue to see -- also, a lot of people are working around donald trump. nobody probably wants to show up around that circus that
attorneys, but has no set plans to surrender. d.a. fani willis has given all 19 defendants until friday at noon to turn themselves in. but one defendant former trump chief of staff mark meadows has asked a federal judge to immediately block his -- to move his case to federal court. that judge told funny will list to respond tomorrow afternoon. willis has already rejected meadows difference to extend the frantic deadline. this morning, she sent an email to his lawyers saying i am not granting any extension, i gave two weeks for people to surrender and have to the court. your client is a different from any other criminal defendant instruction. on 12:30 pm on friday official file warrants in the system. with that, let's bring in our panel. luke broadwater, téa mitchell,
involve stealing an election, and analytically there's no reason he is cloaked in federal immunity if in fact he has committed that crime. >> joyce, it used to be a federal employee and i can tell you it never crossed my mind that if i committed a crime, i could use effect i worked for the federal government to protect myself. so we will see what this judge says at this hearing. téa, in georgia specifically, you've got these codefendants that are named out there. the georgia republican party also wrapped up and this and now there are to rob pocan's putting plans together to go after d. a. fani willis. what can you tell us about what is percolating with the georgia republican party with this case? >> republican leaders in georgia during the last legislative session passed this new kind of oversight entity for prosecutors in the state. now initially this was to go after progressive prosecutors that weren't charging certain crimes. that it said they weren't going to enforce the new abortion ban penalties, for example. they weren't going to charge defendant low level drug crimes and conservative lawmakers didn't like that and when a chance to rain and potentially
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two weeks for people to surrender and have to the court. your client is a different from any other criminal defendant instruction. on 12:30 pm on friday official file warrants in the system. with that, let's bring in our panel. luke broadwater, téa mitchell, and joyce alene. joyce, how critical is this new development of a witness changing testimony in the got about documents case? >> this is actually the evidence that was used for the superseding indictments and the mar-a-lago case. this additional charge involving obstruction, there are multiple charges of obstruction involving effort to destroy or damage security footage.
hey pence on the fence. >> rolling stone reports, the attacks on pence are even more extreme online. a popular far-right forum discussing, in graphic terms, how to murder pence. one user writing, quote, the main execution should be off the table. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst and former u.s. attorney, barbara mcquade. she is the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast and a professor at the university of michigan law school. also with us, msnbc political contributor, matt dowd. he's the founder of country over party, the former chief strategist for the 2004 bush presidential campaign. téa mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal-constitution. it is good to see you all. barb, help us understand the back and forth that has transpired just in the last hour or so, that request for an extension, the judge, of course, red denying that request. but >> this began friday night, alicia, when the government filed a motion, asking for a
stop the clock to make sure there is an articulate a factual reasons that she's extending that deadline, because it's not just the defendant, but it's also the public that has a right to a speedy trial and that's because the public has an interest in holding someone accountable if they've been charged with a crime. they have an interest in making sure that witnesses are available and that evidence is available. and so, she has to balance both of those interests. so, i imagine that on august 28th, when she gets together with the parties, they will look at what's needed in this case, they have adequate preparation, but no more than is necessary. , so that the public can get that speedy trial that it has a right to as well. and so, we will see -- i think it's absolutely reasonable to try this case. sometime in the next year, spring, summer of 2024, and certainly not passed november of 2024. >> téa, this week, we had the a fani willis on camera for the first time answering questions about whether or not she had read the jack smith indictment,
perhaps in the medium related to one investigation or another. but at the end of the day, what d.a. willis is saying is, she's running her own race. her investigation is her investigation, she's not necessarily allowing it to be influenced by what the department justice was looking into. he is not thinking that they have to be in concert with each other. she, and again, her investigation, she said, it's been two and a half years. i think what she's also saying is, i put in the work myself. i don't necessarily need a copy jacks mitt. >> barb, matt, téa, as always, thank you so much for getting us started. up next, one of the investigators on the january 6th committee lays out how he would put trump on trial. plus, to tennessee democrats expelled from the state house for demanding gun safety, they are now back in their seats. where do they go from here? i will ask one of them. and this latest indictment, there is a ton of fake electors. what it all means for future elections. but first, to richard louis
to be all about. what's left on the vine to wither is all of the structure you need in state by state, to win it. >> right, all of the things that are an sexy, but fundamentally when campaigns. téa, trump now boasting he needs, quote, one more indictment to win. i wonder what you make of that rhetoric, when he could get that wish out of georgia. >> well, what trump is looking at is the polls that show, after each indictment, there is a big segment of the republican base that becomes even more supportive of him, even more loyal to him, even more convinced that these indictments are a, quote, political witch hunt against donald trump. so, for him, each indictment kind of solidifies his position as the leader of the republican party. so, in a lot of ways, they are good for him in a primary. i don't think he's thinking yet how these indictments might play out in a general election.