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The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer

deficit this fiscal year and $12 billion over three years. it's going to hurt low-income new yorkers and that's wrong for those new yorkers and migrant and asylum seekers should not be placed in this condition. >> before we go a very quick question on a very different subject. want to ask you about this federal investigation, as you know, into your political campaign. the fbi seized your cell phones and ipad in november as part of a probe looking into illegal contributions to your campaign. have you received a target letter from federal investigators? >> we made that clear before. no, we have not. listen, the -- our federal agent serbs our state agencies, our city agent circumstances i'm a former law enforcement officer. if inquiries are made, we must cooperate with those inquiries, and that's what i have done and stated i would do other and over again. i do not break laws. i did not spend 22 years enforcing the law to break a law and whatever envelopes and cooperation they need from me

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

asked, quote, what are we going to do, and quote. nbc news has confirmed that trump employee for is east theo -- the i. t. director at mar-a-lago, and while he didn't go along with that plan, according to jack smith's tuesday filing a agreed to keep quiet about it. quote, one trump play for testify before the grand jury in the district of columbia in march 2023 he repeatedly denied or claimed not to recall any contact or conversations about the security footage at mar-a-lago. the governments evidence indicated that the testimony by trump employee for was false. here's what happened after trump employee for received a target letter from the special counsel. quote, chief justice boasberg made available independent counsel to avoid advice aide to trump deploy for regarding potential conflicts. on july 5th, 2023, trump employee for informed chief judge boalsburg that he no longer wished to be represented by mr. woodward, and that going forward he wished to re-represented by the first federal defender. immediately after receiving new

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

he would not know how to do that, and that he did not believe that he would have the right to do that. de oliveira then insisted trump employee for that the boss wanted the server deleted and asked, quote, what are we going to do, and quote. nbc news has confirmed that trump employee for is east theo -- the i.t. director at mar-a-lago, and while he didn't go along with that plan, according to jack smith's tuesday filing a agreed to keep quiet about it. quote, one trump play for testify before the grand jury in the district of columbia in march 2023 he repeatedly denied or claimed not to recall any contact or conversations about the security footage at mar-a-lago. the governments evidence indicated that the testimony by trump employee for was false. here's what happened after trump employee for received a target letter from the special

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Velshi

pierson, former assistant district attorney and msnbc legal analyst and lisa reuben, a former litigator of msnbc legal analyst. welcome to both of you, thank you for being with us. at, least because we've been so involved in this georgia case and things having to do with the january 6th case, i want to go back to this mar-a-lago matter in which this defendant, who was a defendant, who was unindicted coconspirator, received a target letter about this investigation and what happened? then he decided he wanted better representation, then the trump unfettered lawyers? >> it wasn't exactly that, ali. yes, he decided he probably want a different representation after receiving the target letter. but it was also about the special counsel's office went to court and said that his trump paid for lawyer, stanley woodward, had a conflict because he also represented walt nauta, who is a codefendants in that case. it was at that point that a judge in d.c. overseeing that

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

and explains, what happens there that causes a guy like taveras saying i want a new lawyer, i want to change my testimony? >> the biggest issue, no doubt, is that he got a target letter. he got a target letter from jack smith saying that we are planning to indict you for perjury. once that had happened, and once judge boasberg gave him that federal defender to provide independent counsel, employee for, taveras, changed his mind in terms of how you want to proceed forward with representation. it's not the first time that we have seen this in trump world,

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell

that tavares has got cold feet somehow and this federal defender sits and talks to him and explains, what happens there that causes a guy like taveras saying i want a new lawyer, i want to change my testimony? >> the biggest issue, no doubt, is that he got a target letter. he got a target letter from jack smith saying that we are planning to indict you for perjury. once that had happened, and once judge boasberg gave him that federal defender to provide independent counsel, employee for, taveras, changed his mind in terms of how you want to proceed forward with representation. it's not the first time that we have seen this in trump world, we saw it with cassidy hutchinson during the january six hearings. we've seen this throughout history with what we typically referred to as criminal enterprises where the balls provide you as a lawyer, and then the lawyer's loyalty appears to be discipline other than the individual client. so mr. taveras has his own lawyer now, he a provided

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CNN Primetime

discuss the mayor's background, of course, and to discuss what is coming up here in georgia. i am not here to discuss private discussions between the mayor and the president. that is not my job. and, again, some of this reporting we are seeing on this matter is intentional. and it is being done to try and drive a wedge between the mayor and the former president and to create issues -- >> well, look -- you are claiming that it is intended to drive a wedge. but you are also not denying, based on anything that you might know -- >> go back -- how did you originally asked the question -- >> let me ask you about a separate topic here. there is also the special counsel investigation into election interference at the federal level. and i want to just get an update here. has mr. giuliani received a target letter from the special counsel in that case? >> my understanding is he has not heard from the special counsel since we have last

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CNN Primetime

that's a yes or no question. >> again, so, i am here to discuss the mayor's background, of course, and to discuss what is coming up here in georgia. again, i am not here to discuss private discussions between the mayor and the president. that is not my job. and, again, some of this reporting we are seeing on this matter is intentional. and it is being done to try and drive a wedge between the mayor and the former president and to create issues -- where there is none. >> well, look -- you are claiming that it is intended to drive a wedge. but you are also not denying, based on anything that you might know -- >> go back -- >> true or not -- >> how did you originally asked the question -- >> let me ask you about a separate topic here. there is also the special counsel investigation into election interference at the federal level. and i want to just get an update here. has mr. giuliani received a target letter from the special counsel in that case? >> my understanding is he has not heard from the special

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CNN News Central

they could be people who might flip if prosecutors wanted them to, if they need them, they could be people who provided valuable information to prosecutors, and we could see them as witnesses at the trial in the future. but some of them are people who are very close to donald trump and his political sphere, and then there's also one person to really focus on, the lieutenant governor of georgia, burt jones, who at the time was a state senator during the election period of 2020. and he also was a fake elector for donald trump. he appears to have escaped any issues in this case as of now because fani willis, the d.a., had sent a target letter, told him he could be charged in the case. but then a judge ordered her not to investigate him because of a political step that she had taken with a fundraiser related to his election pursuits. and so there is an agency that is separate from fani willis, the d.a. in georgia, who is

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Hannity

usually these rico charges, with heavy penalties. >> sean: fox news contributor and of course law professor jonathan turley. he'll be staying with us throughout the hour tonight. thank you. stand by. we'll be getting back to you. joining us now is president trump's attorney alina harbaugh. thank you for joining us. have you heard anything? unlike a federal charge, my understanding is the people that have been clearly indicted to nominates were not given any type of target letter or update any way. is that correct? >> that is correct and unfortunate but that is correct. i do not have any knowledge of any indictment. i have spoken to our team. unfortunately we are watching this with you, sean. i think that says it all, don't you? this is unprecedented. cameras now behind the judge's clerk office. i have clerked for a drug. i've never seen that.

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