Respond to the dojs request for protective order. D. C. Judge says, mondays deadline stands. Earlier today, trumps team had asked for three more days to respond. Again, the judge just denied that request. The doj, filing includes trumps ominous truth social post last night that read, quote, if you go after me, i am coming after you. Trump also called Special Counsel jack smith a, quote, Deranged Human Being and a gop dinner in alabama. If the judge does grant the protective order, trump wont be allowed to share testimony or any other Trial Materials with the public. This comes as one of the top witnesses against trump is already being harassed. Former Vice President , mike pence. In new hampshire, heckled with names like traitor, just days after the doj revealed he took careful notes on trumps coup attempt. You didnt uphold the constitution. You committed treason. You committed treason you committed treason hey pence on the fence. Rolling stone reports, the attacks on pence are even more extreme online. A popular farright forum discussing, in graphic terms, how to murder pence. One user writing, quote, the main execution should be off the table. Joining me now, msnbc legal analyst and former u. S. Attorney, barbara mcquade. She is the cohost of the Hashtag Sisters In Law Podcast and a professor at the university of michigan law school. Also with us, msnbc political contributor, matt dowd. Hes the founder of country over party, the former Chief Strategist for the 2004 bush president ial campaign. Tea mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journalconstitution. It is good to see you all. Barb, help us understand the back and forth that has transpired just in the last hour or so, that request for an extension, the judge, of course, red denying that request. But this began friday night, alicia, when the government filed a motion, asking for a protective order. Fairly routine in certain kinds of cases, just asking that donald trump not be permitted to disclose witness statements. Not a gag order. Just that he not disclose this, which is routine and standard practice. But in light of the kinds of things hes been saying and going after witnesses, very necessary in this case. They filed it and asked that he entered immediately. The judge said, im going to give the trump team until monday to file any response and i will consider the response, then i will decide the motion. The trump team came back and said, we need more time. This should be brief, there should be an oral argument on. This we want three extra days. It seems that every opportunity you are going to see to delay, delay, delay. And the judge wouldnt have any of it. She said, im going to give you till monday, that deadline stands, then im going to make my decision. This is routine. Frankly, the fact shes giving him this much time is going out of her way, i think, to give them the benefit of due process is met and the appearance of due process. Barb, during the judge warned him not to intimidate witnesses, which is remarkable in and of itself that that even needed to be issued as a warning. Talk to me about the consequences trump could face, if he were to disobey that order. Well, i think in a case like this, its really difficult for a judge to rein in somebody whos running for president. But ordinarily, if someone violated the terms of their condition, especially about harassing or threatening, or talking to witnesses, that there would be escalating types of penalties. I would imagine the first thing would be in order to show cause why should not in contempt and come in and explain it, probably get a warning, then be released. But if somebody were to then violate that again, you can bet there would be revoked and it would be sitting in jail while they are awaiting trial. In a case where weve got a candidate for president , i imagine the judge will treat it with matt, i spoke to Biden National campaign director, julie chavez rodriguez, about running against a thrice indicted, twice impeached former president , the unique challenges that poses. Here is what she told me. Its about making sure that we are really in talking to the American People about the issues that matter most. We know that these court cases will continue to move forward and they will take their course of action. But for us, again, its really making sure that we are talking to voters about, you know, lowering Prescription Drug costs, lowering energy costs, really focused on what matters most to them right now. And continuing, again, to ensure that they understand the choice thats in front of them and the clear contrast of the kind of, you know, again, extremism that were seeing from trump, from desantis, from sort of the entire field, versus, you know, what we are delivering right now for the American People and really investing in our communities. Heres the thing, matt dowd. Whenever you are running a president ial campaign, it is a campaign that has never been run before, there are unique dynamics to every race. But i think we have to be honest about the fact that though the biden, Harris Campaign is up against is unprecedented in innumerable ways, right . There is no Strategy Book to pull from when you are going to run against a thrice indicted, twice impeached former president , who you have already beat. Yeah, i mean, there is no book for this. I mean, every campaign is different on its own, but i will say, i dont envy her position in this, having gone through a First Campaign where you win and climb the hill. The second Reelection Campaign, where you try to hold the hill is a much more difficult election campaign, or Reelection Campaign is, no matter who youre running against, because the problem you have is one, its emotionally different because youre just trying to hold ground. In this case, that campaign in the white house. But in the other case, youre dealing with all these extraneous events as president of the United States that you have no control over as a campaign person in the midst of this. I would say her last part of that answer was probably the most apt part of it, which, is there going to want to make this a contrast campaign. Its going to be very difficult to have a debate on the issues in this campaign against donald trump. One, because of the character of donald trump and who he is, how hes going to operate in a chaotic fashion. Thats going to sort of throw a Monkey Wrench into that. But also, the moment we are in. The moment we are in, while the level of cost and Prescription Drugs is important, while Social Security is incredibly important, whats more important is the state of our democracy and do we survive as a Constitutional Republic . That, ultimately, will be the contrast upon which this campaign is divine on. Let me ask you something to sort of get into the mechanics of campaigning. According to fcc data, one of trump super pacs has shelled out 20 million, just in legal fees, over the past six months thats two thirds of the pacts total spending. I do want, we talk a lot about sort of the legal woes hanging over him, as it relates to public perception, as it relates to taking up oxygen among republicans who are also vying for the nomination. Just this piece on spending, right . I wonder how much of a challenge that becomes for the trump campaign. Yeah, they are raising this money, but the money is also quickly going out the door. Well, my guess is, and my assumption is, that donald trump has the great capacity to grift at the highest possible levels, no matter what its doing for. So, i think hes going to have enough money in this campaign and the problem that donald trump, as he gets constrained along the way, before he gets next year, is not so much about advertising and paying for ads, which i believe has had diminished use over the course of the last ten years, Television Ads on campaigns. But its how do you support a structure in all of the states you need to win in this Electoral College . And joe bidens campaign seems to have that capacity right now. Donald trump seems to be a singular campaign, which is, the care feeding and support of donald trump personally. That is what his campaign seems to be all about. Whats left on the vine to wither is all of the structure you need in state by state, to win it. Right, all of the things that are an sexy, but fundamentally when campaigns. Tea, trump now boasting he needs, quote, one more indictment to win. I wonder what you make of that rhetoric, when he could get that wish out of georgia. Well, what trump is looking at is the polls that show, after each indictment, there is a big segment of the Republican Base that becomes even more supportive of him, even more loyal to him, even more convinced that these indictments are a, quote, Political Witch Hunt against donald trump. So, for him, each indictment kind of solidifies his position as the leader of the Republican Party. So, in a lot of ways, they are good for him in a primary. I dont think hes thinking yet how these indictments might play out in a general election. They are good for him in the context of a primary. We should know in the next two weeks what the indictments out of that Fulton County investigation in georgia will be and if trump will face indictments there. All signs kind of point to some major news that kind of indicates that perhaps trump might be indicted. But we expect we could know in the next couple of weeks. Barb, you know, trump trying to exempt the Election Interference case with a speedy trial. Can you talk to me, what timeline does that loss set and what chance does trump have of slowing things down . Well, he is certainly trying to slow things down. That seems to be his strategy, but the Speedy Trial Act says that the trial should begin within 70 days of arraignment. Now, its rare that that actually happens because a defendant wants and needs time to review all of the discovery, file motions, and other things to get ready for trial. But a judge has to physically stop the clock to make sure there is an articulate a factual reasons that shes extending that deadline, because its not just the defendant, but its also the public that has a right to a speedy trial and thats because the public has an interest in Holding Someone accountable if theyve been charged with a crime. They have an interest in making sure that witnesses are available and that evidence is available. And so, she has to balance both of those interests. So, i imagine that on august 28th, when she gets together with the parties, they will look at whats needed in this case, they have adequate preparation, but no more than is necessary. , so that the public can get that speedy trial that it has a right to as well. And so, we will see i think its absolutely reasonable to try this case. Sometime in the next year, spring, summer of 2024, and certainly not passed november of 2024. Tea, this week, we had the a fani willis on camera for the first time answering questions about whether or not she had read the jack smith indictment, whether or not she felt it was going to change at all the nature of contours of her own case. I wonder, reading between the lines, as someone who has followed this case very carefully, what you made of what she chose to say. Well, you know, what she basically said was that she read the indictment, but shes kind of doing her own thing. Shes not, not particularly close in contact with jack smith. I think to me, that indicated that her investigation was pretty far along. And so, therefore, they were kind of on their own tracks already. We know there has been some level of communication, if nothing else, information sharing, between the District Attorney, the house january 6th select committee, and perhaps even the department of justice, just to share information perhaps request documents that may come up from time to time, perhaps in the medium related to one investigation or another. But at the end of the day, what d. A. Willis is saying is, shes running her own race. Her investigation is her investigation, shes not necessarily allowing it to be influenced by what the Department Justice was looking into. He is not thinking that they have to be in concert with each other. She, and again, her investigation, she said, its been two and a half years. I think what shes also saying is, i put in the work myself. I dont necessarily need a copy jacks mitt. Barb, matt, tea, as always, thank you so much for getting us started. 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