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To control their missiles. all missiles have some degree of electronic and computer control. so the focus has been on that. obviously, since we were working on the story with great sensitivity, we agreed with the u.s. government that we were not included in the story the techniques the u.s. was using, and we did that because we knew from statements the north koreans have made that they were onto the fact that the u.s. was messing with them, but it is not clear they knew exactly how. >> jon: you also broke the story about the stuxnet virus, and this is a sort of an iteration of that program. a ...

What the variables are and figure out how they got to this point, being stuck on that short runway. that's what i've got for you. >> you know, we recently saw another case, it was a freight plane -- >> that was a cargo ship, a cargo flight. >> yeah, and that also, they landed at the wrong airport. you've just got to wonder -- >> it was also in that region of the country. makes you think that maybe, somehow, topography has something to do with it. but again, there is so much computer control of what's going on. >> you say for the uninitiated. i think even for the initiated, it's shocking when a...

Pictures, and thank god the trains didn't go to the water, is there anything you can take away from the images? >> the one takeaway i took away is the human element and the train needs to be controlled better. we have been pushing for computer control of the train with the human being there to monitor it. we have trains at the airports, right at jfk, that is computer driven without on operator and has performed flawlessly for years. we need to upgrade the trains >> do you think people have become less competent than they

talk more about it in our "crime and consequences" segment in 20 minutes. the clock is still ticking toward a midnight deadline to avert a partial government shutdown but the pressure's gone down just a little bit. that's john boehner's way of saying both parties in both houses have agreed on a trillion dollar spending package. now they just have to vote on it. the house will vote first. then start its holiday recess. the senate will vote after that. and will try to agree on extending a payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits. if it does, the house will come back to vote on that....