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clinton is just wrapping up a meeting with the japanese foreign minister at the department of state. a joint statement is expected to follow shortly. earlier president obama called south korea's president to re-affirm his commitment to korea's security and stability. when it comes to the payroll tax cut, it's one step forward and two steps back in congress. the house is expected to reject the senate's two-month extension of the payroll tax cut. house speaker john boehner says the house will be pushing a one-year extension. >> the idea the tax policy can be done two months at a time...

hollywood. and movement in just the last hour on efforts to end the debt crisis. you've heard that phrase a lot in the last few weeks. but what does it mean to you and your personal finances? the answers for you this hour in the cnn newsroom. i ran around for five minutes, then i started swimming. >> reporter: was he shooting at you in the ocean? >> yes, and in it. >> reporter: were people around you hit? >> yes. >> final moments spent in unimaginable fear. two attacks in norway. at least 92 people dead, 85 of them at a youth camp. seven dead in a bombing in the capital, oslo. on...

There are a few specific apps you can only get on mac, final cut, editing video, doing audio work. for the most part you can get things like microsoft office and outlook and photo shop. >> the average small business owner as far as software goes, you're fine with either? >> unless you have a specific need, which you know is also available on platform. >> like my husband is an architect, likes to use a pc, work processing. >> and even then, can you install windows, boot it. that's advanced. >> ease of use. >> everybody always said macs are easier to use. especially if you're not a native comput...

For the most part you can get things like microsoft office and outlook and photo shop. >> the average small business owner as far as software goes, you're fine with either? >> unless you have a specific need, which you know is oels available on one. >> like my husband is san ark connect larks to use a pc, work processing. >> and even then, can you install windows, boot it. that's advanced. >> ease of use. >> everybody always said macs are easier to use. especially if you're not a native commutputer user. pc is harder. if you're more of a computer expert you spend a lot of time with them you mi...

With the knowledge that ones a computer expert. >>guest: unpopular decisions are needed to help get bad guys off the hook. are you going to give them a trip to disneyland next? you want to make sure you head off any potential appeal and to the extent they will argue that they are being kept from any kind of evidence or not given them an opportunity to defend themselves, and you will tighten down the appeal so if they are convicted and nailed, they will not be able to find a loophole. >>shepard: david, they want computers. they need to be able to access stuff. >>guest: i got off the phone with ...