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Doubling down on the claim he is innocent after the indictment by the special counsel with seven charges of witness tampering and making false statements. joining me now is former prosecutor doug burns and news writer for "vanity fair" abby hyde let's start with you, danny. you see the list there of what he is being charged with in the seven counts roger stone is not charged with conspiracy does that surprise you >> two ways of looking at this one is mueller is waiting to charge the global larger conspiracy for strategic reasons. he may do so in the future on the other hand, the argument may b...

That's the power of conspiracy law. one of the problems with liability might be computer hacking looking at roger stone and the jerome corsi situation. any conspiracy against the united states to achieve that unlawful objective probably falls within federal conspiracy laws. you can call it conspiracy, but in reality, conspiracy law is presumed to be so broad even picking up a phone and making a phone call could expose a defendant to liability under our conspiracy law in the federal system. >> sharing political data. >> sharing political data, especially if it was political data that was hacked...

So stone's deposition is the first time mueller's team has asked. why is his congressional testimony a concern for mueller. >> there are two main avenues. first, was stone and his co-tore repart of this collusion to commit some kind of computer hacking, but even if he wasn't, did roger stone lie in his multiple testimonies and interviews with congress or elsewhere? and if he did, he's liable for section 1,001, false statements. but going back to the russia and lucky weeks, but even if he was, in order to show conspiracy, you need just a little more information, and directing someone to get wik...

Penalties for china? do we want to take this? listen for a quick moment and james we'll come back to you. >> 90% of the department's cases economic espionage over the past seven years involve china. two thirds involving thefts of trade secrets are connected to china. in the last few months of this year alone, our department has announced charges in three separate cases alleging crimes committed at the behest of a branch of the chinese ministry of state security. it is unacceptable that we continue to uncover cybercrime committed by china against america and other nations. in 2015 china promise...

Ground? if you were a prosecutor in the case and you heard a defense attorney with this argument, what would you think? >> rudy kind of answered his own question there. he says in one breath, collusion is not a crime. no kidding, it's a word that rudy and the president kind of made up. but in the very next sentence, he says the crime would be conspiracy to commit computer hacking. yes, if the proof bears out that the president or roger stone or people around them were involved in the effort to hack and then to disseminate the e-mail through wikileaks, that would be conspiracy. they would be pa...