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Last june that involved trump campaign officials and a whole bunch of other russians, according to the financial times tonight, he has just given testimony to special counsel robert mueller's grand jury for several hours. on august 11th he apparently did this testimony. this is only the second time we've learned about specific people who have been called to testify before the mueller grand jury. he is a naturalized u.s. citizen. he's russian born. he retains a russian passport. he has numerous ties to russian intelligence including military intelligence. he's also been associated with at least...

Jury. he is a naturalized u.s. citizen. he's russian born. he retains a russian passport. he has numerous ties to russian intelligence including military intelligence. he's also been associated with at least two previous campaigns where he's worked for pro-putin business figures whose opponents in financial or business or legal combat have found themselves targeted with computer hacking and stolen documents that are then turned against them in the public sphere. just in case that sounds familiar. we're told he's separately being investigated by the senate judiciary committee himself, but he ha...

My program saturday, an academic name dav lemon from carneg carnegie-mellon who documented on 61 occasions in 80 different nations from the post world war ii era through 2000, we have been involved, not in computer hacking, but in trying to determine the outcome of elections. is there a moral equivalent between us supporting a pro democracy force when the opposition was communism, that's subject to debate. i think it's a fair point that we don't entirely have clean hands. >> it also doesn't mean you want to invite other countries into your election. this is not a one-sided thing. >> of course ...

Assist gets a bump of about 3% to their vote share, but that is an average effect. in other words sometimes the effect is much larger and sometimes much less, so to speak. >> your research ended in the year 2000, the birth really of the internet age and era. have we ever done what the russians are -- have we ever hacked? >> we did not use computer hacking, no. >> in each of these instances, because this has quite a negative connotation to hear that some will take away from this, well, the u.s. has done it too, has it always been in the name of democracy? have we always sought to oppose communi...

Sometimes it is much less so to speak. >> your research ended in the year 2000. the birth really of the internet age and era. have we ever done what the russians are -- have we ever hacked? >> we did not use computer hacking, no. >> in each of these instances, because this has quite a negative connotation too hear some take away from this, well, the u.s. done it to is it always in the name of democracy? have we always sought to oppose communism? oppose a theology governing a nation's politics? what's the common denominator guiding the united states? >> well, of course, sometimes we assisted, y...