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The efforts our experts will outline today continue unabated. the takeaway from today's hearing -- we're all targets of a sophisticated and capable adversary, and we must engage in a whole of government approach to combat russian acted measures. today we'll receive testimony from experts who have in some cases worked directly to respond to acted measures, who understand the history and context of active measures and whose significant experience and knowledge will shed new light on the problem and provide useful context. doctors goodson and mr. watts, we're grateful for your appearances today. ...

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If it is what it pretends to be, it looks like a very extensive file of the tactics, techniques, procedures, targets and political rules under which the central intelligence agency conducts its computer network exploitation and other activities. so if it is that, it would be very, very damaging. >> that's the former cia director michael hayden, former nsa director talking to me about wikileaks. joining me is jeremy bash who was chief of staff to lean leon panetta at the defense department and cia.

About this and this has not been confirmed, but if it is what it pretends to be, it looks like a very extensive file of the tactics, techniques, procedures, targets and political rules under which the central intelligence agency conducts its computer network exploitation and other activities. so if it is that, it would be very, very damaging, and andrea, i just got to off an editorial comment here. >> please do. >> this is about foreign intelligence collection. it doesn't invoke the privacy rights of americans, and isn't it surprising that wikileaks, this transparency engine, seems to be focus...

And the systems which run the nation, which we are lead to believe are not nearly as well protected. could this same bunch be in our grid and ready to strike should we for instance retaliate for the sony attack. >> we have to expect that. they are quite possibly in our grid. there's a lot of reports that indicate that not only the north koreans but the iranians have been looking at our electric recall grid, and both the iranians and the russians are rumored to have done a lot of reconnaissance, computer network exploitation, inside our grid. >> if we responsible -- i'm almost out of time. if w...